Do You Believe in Reincarnation?
  • Seppe Cools
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    just a note: i'm losing way to much time on this forum and i'm gonna try to keep it at 1 - 2 big posts per day, so the next answer will be something for tomorrow. It is 4:53 AM right now here in Belgium, so i'll get back to you guys :-)
  • Seppe Cools
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    Posted By: MistahtomThis is where I'm not understanding. "Point 3: When we die, there is 'nothing' "

    Fellow Atheist are, especially in this topic, repeating over and over again that "there is nothing after death".
    So this is in regards to themselves as objects.
    They say something like: "when i die, there is no hell or heaven but there is just -nothing-"

    This is what i used to say for a long time by the way, before i dug into the working of the human brain,
    and then i started to realize that i had to rethink everything because the brain uses some unreliable unproven concepts to grasp the reality and that's how i saw that "nothing" is really a concept that was created by the human brain with absolutely no evidence of such a thing in the real world.


    EDIT: i could write a post about the concept of a "beginning" and an "end". These are things that are also "made up" by the brain. That's again an extra argument for me then, to believe that "eternity" is a more reliable thing to see as a fact ( instead of "believing" that the dimension of time has a beginpoint + endpoint for example ). The same can be said about the dimension of space.
  • Seppe Cools
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    Posted By: TheBlueFalconXA biological entity such as YOU is effectively a peace treaty between millions of living cells. IF this was not the case, your body would eat itself alive this very instant.

    Don't get me wrong: i agree that this biological entity acts as one object,
    but i see this object as a transformation instead of something that "pops up" in existence and "disapears" in non-existence.

    So your brain sees an object, and then it "disappears" and therefore it creates the concept of "nothing".
    While i have learned to see everything in the world as transformations instead of objects. And then the concept of "nothing" is not needed anymore and i can explain the world without ever having to use the word "nothing" as a true-existing concept.



    Posted By: TheBlueFalconXI'm just throwing out some physics and chemistry ideas here Seppe. It's food for thought, not a rebuttle or a debate.

    I'm not a physics-person. I'm a biologyfan and a brainfan instead, so i look to the world through these 2 glasses and i don't know much about physics.

    I'm here just for the ideas and we are all Atheists who agree that there is not a stupid God and we all want to find out what the world really is on our own. So yeah, this is all quite fun and nice just for filosofical reasons :-)




    Posted By: TheBlueFalconXWhat do you think of the idea that YOU and the idea that you feel alive through this body, is actually the cumulative effect of the wills of the biological entities that make up your body. Each molecule in itself was an ancestor of an alive thing before humans walked the Earth. Adapting and evolving millions of years ago. These molecules understood that they could group together and survive more efficiently.

    What i think about it? If i'm understanding your English right, then i agree with this for a 100 %. Always have.



    Now it's bedtime, good night guys.
  • TheBlueFalconX
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    Posted By: Seppe Coolsbut i see this object as a transformation instead of something that "pops up" in existence and "disapears" in non-existence.


    Remember when I mentioned how molecules interact with each other?

    To put it as an analogy, you become you as you know it when all of these things come together and the collective electrical waves have a complete circuit to run on. If you die, the circuit is broken. As long as the little shits are working together, they see themselves as you, their harbourer and ultimate means of survival.

    If you haven't read "The Selfish Gene" - Richard Dawkins
    I recommend you do so.
  • Komadori
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    Posted By: TheBlueFalconX
    Posted By: Seppe Coolsbut i see this object as a transformation instead of something that "pops up" in existence and "disapears" in non-existence.


    Remember when I mentioned how molecules interact with each other?

    To put it as an analogy, you become you as you know it when all of these things come together and the collective electrical waves have a complete circuit to run on. If you die, the circuit is broken. As long as the little shits are working together, they see themselves as you, their harbourer and ultimate means of survival.

    If you haven't read "The Selfish Gene" - Richard Dawkins
    I recommend you do so.A good oxymoron: Christian Logic


    Hmm.. It's like a whole buncha mini-borg. So long as the system is running, the collective continues to exist. Once the system breaks down, bye-bye Borg.
  • OneFewer
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    Posted By: Seppe CoolsIt just depends on how you define "me". If you define "me" as the creature that comes out of the DNA, then there is indeed only 1 life, for that particular creature.


    I have a feeling that that is the kind of 'me' that everyone here is talking about. That's why I think we should find a new word for the theories you present, because associating them with a rather silly concept like reincarnation (in the traditional sense) causes confusion.
  • TheBlueFalconX
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    Posted By: Komadori
    Posted By: TheBlueFalconX
    Posted By: Seppe Coolsbut i see this object as a transformation instead of something that "pops up" in existence and "disapears" in non-existence.


    Remember when I mentioned how molecules interact with each other?

    To put it as an analogy, you become you as you know it when all of these things come together and the collective electrical waves have a complete circuit to run on. If you die, the circuit is broken. As long as the little shits are working together, they see themselves as you, their harbourer and ultimate means of survival.

    If you haven't read "The Selfish Gene" - Richard Dawkins
    I recommend you do so.A good oxymoron: Christian Logic


    Hmm.. It's like a whole buncha mini-borg. So long as the system is running, the collective continues to exist. Once the system breaks down, bye-bye Borg.


    Epic connection right there.
  • TheBlueFalconX
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    Posted By: OneFewerbecause associating them with a rather silly concept like reincarnation (in the traditional sense) causes confusion.


    Yeah, I've been trying to get that point across but he wont have it. It's not reincarnation in any sense. You'd have to refine it and relabel that jar of pickles b4 it mattered.
  • pic81
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    we are a bunch of atoms forming a bunch of common chemicals found almost everywhere,atoms form matter both living and non living.
    the concept that we aren't something independent than nature is something very well understood,especially in the world of particle physics.
    as for the reincarnation thing:i think it would be better if we defined what we are discussing here as 'conservation'.
    the building blocks of matter forming us are a couple of billions or even trillions i suppose..but they form individual functional entities,billions of little things form 'one'.according to this when a person dies the building blocks of its matter(which change etc)at the time,will eventually become different other things,while the person really dies.we are like 'ice cubes' and death seems to be like the frying pan:when heated up the 'ice cube' dies,its no longer an ice cube but the matter used to form an ice cube is somewhere around.
  • pic81
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    i started a discussion subject a few days ago:'are tiny or huge compared to the universe' wanted to discuss with other intelligent people their ideas on subjects we are discussing here under the wrong tittle(reincarnation).
    reincarnation has nothing to do with the findings of science,which force's us to see the world and our selves from different perspectives,which were available to scientist's many decades now.
  • OneFewer
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    Very well said, pic81, I think we're on the same page here.
  • Penthaligon
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    When people die they quit thinking, the can't become nothing since a natural law states that nothing can disappear simply change shape. If i rot and eventually become nothing living being then I am in a way reincarnated. Though none of your thoughts or "soul" are being passed on that way. We might live again, but it is far from certain and we won't know that we do, since probably will be things like tadpoles and ants.

    Though the reincarnation as in buddhism is just not right. No soul no karma just heaps of atoms that perhaps might be put together as a living being again.
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