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Posted By: breezysprevised

Posted By: QIt does have a designer - it is called the Electro-Weak force

I would like to ask a favor. Can you please possibly posts some links describing this, I do not know anything about this but would like to.:)

Sure breezy, I'll take the liberty to give you a primer then put some links for further reading.

First let me reiterate that - as VFX correctly points out - the electroweak force cannot really be considered a creative designer with intent or intelligence etc. It is just a mechanical force that exists, does what it does and would do what it does whether intelligent beings were around to observe its behaviour or not.

The electroweak force is actually a combination of two of the four fundamental forces, the weak force - which we'll ignore because it is just clutter in context of this thread's discussion - and the electromagnetic force. To save confusion I'll just drop the electroweak force because electromagnetism and weak forces only combine at ridiculously high energy levels that do not apply at every-day levels of Chemistry and Biology - I'll just refer to the electromagnetic force from now on.

The reason I said the electroweak force is responsible for protein formation is because Biology is Chemistry, Chemistry is atomic-level Physics, and at the atomic level the overwhelmingly dominant fundamental force at work is the electromagnetic. As such, the electromagnetic force is what's really responsible for things like snowflakes forming their characteristic crystal lattices, magnets sticking to your fridge, water changing from ice to liquid water to steam as you add energy to it, solid objects being unable to pass through each other, and pretty much all the day-to-day phenomena relating to matter and energy interacting. It does all this by governing the degree to which electrically charged objects attract and repel each other.

For some friendly reading there is HyperPhysics, the venerable Wikipedia, and this nice eHow synopsis. HyperPhysics, in my opinion, is an easy to digest look at just how much we know about the universe as well as what we don't know. Have fun!

[Edited to fix a broken link and some spelling]

Posted by breezyprevised:
Your mind "reveals" beauty to you. Also, you are programmed your entire life to interpret and view the various beautiful and ugly things in a widely accepted way(whatever that means). You are basically implying that having our five(or six) senses should be proof that we and everything are created. I am glad I have my senses and a part of that is that I AM ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO USE THEM which makes life even more beautiful.

I’m implying nothing of the sort. Animals have senses also. Some far more developed than ours. However, animals cannot look at a work of art and be moved. You can. It’s not the seeing. Any life form with eyes can do that. It’s the appreciation. That, is a whole different concept.

Posted by breezyprevised:
You are hardly one to speak with any authority on the matters of beauty and pleasure in life, you are not allowed to and are programmed to block out your senses as much as possible in your christian environment. If you deny it then I am going to start asking you direct questions about what it is that is actually required from you as a christian and in your church and will no longer let you sit there and brush on your superficial reel-in tactic weird stuff.

The beauty is not revealed. It is experienced, silly person.

I am not allowed to speak about beauty and pleasure in life ? By whose edict ? As far as blocking out my senses, just who do you imagine is doing the programming ?
"Brush on your superficial reel in tactic weird stuff." Thank you. I'm using that on my mortal enemy tomorrow just to confuse him.

You are most definitely an interesting person. This is not at all a slam. Just fascination.

Posted by breezyprevised:
And also this: Animals probably experience that beauty "to the power of" :) 1 zillion times more than us, because they are not programmed to view beauty in one way or the other. I could speculate that they do not even see "ugly people" or "ugly animals" or "ugly buildings" as we do., but this is all speculation same as you are doing. Only difference is that I could spend hours giving valid reasons why animals experience more beauty than we are.

Lock step with you on the lack of "ugly" to animals. Part of their charm really. I don't think it's speculation at all. They use their senses and experience the feedback that their brain interprets. Instinct and design (or evolution if you wish). Beauty though, no, that's the realm of man. But rather than hours could you give even one valid reason that you believe any animal experiences beauty ?

Posted by breezyprevised:
As humans we have developed interested that pass far beyond anything having to do with beauty which can be good in many ways, but who are we kidding, us humans are all screwed up when it comes to these issues. People hide in their appartments in the city and spend endless nights in the club. People AVOID nature. We are all screwed up about these things and yes, we still have a great appreciation for beauty(some more than others), but in no way are we anywhere close to animals when it comes to embracing the beauties of nature. We want too much and need too much adrenaline shots to go out and suck nature in. And yet, we do indeed find our ways. That still get poisoned by marketing and societal/communal/religious pressures. This is turning into a rant. Sorry....

Don't be. Not much to disagree with on this section.

W+, W-, Zo, Mass > GeV + 1

and the entire concept of "spin".

This is probably annoyingly off subject or something and I am not sure I will be able to understand it at all, but I would appreciate an explanation of this bit to me, taken from this page.. If it helps at all, I roughly understand the other terms used.

If it deems possible to explain more on this subject then I will start a separate thread?

Thank you!!!

Awesome.:)



So, I have to figure out what it is I do understand and what I do not from that entire link and possibly from the wiki page, there are some definitions on there that are helpful to me in any case....

Then I'll post every question I have. At this point I can barely get past the second page, *insert blah blah blah on how I process information*.