Posted By: mildandhazyAwkward me. I give an answer based on my (albeit limited) biology education and no one even notices.You can't see the forest from the trees, and you can't smell your own shit on your knees.
WikipediaSince there is no unequivocal definition of life, the current understanding is descriptive, where life is a characteristic of organisms that exhibit all or most of the following phenomena:
WikipediaProposed (...definitions of life, addition mine)To reflect the minimum phenomena required, some have proposed other biological definitions of life:A network of inferior negative feedbacks (regulatory mechanisms) subordinated to a superior positive feedback (potential of expansion, reproduction).A systemic definition of life is that living things are self-organizing and autopoietic (self-producing). Variations of this definition include Stuart Kauffman's definition as an autonomous agent or a multi-agent system capable of reproducing itself or themselves, and of completing at least one thermodynamic work cycle.Living beings are thermodynamic systems that have an organized molecular structure.Things with the capacity for metabolism and motion.Life is a delay of the spontaneous diffusion or dispersion of the internal energy of the biomolecules towards more potential microstates.Life is a way to "hydrogenate carbon dioxide," at least at its very beginnings, according to physicist Sean Carroll.Life is a self-sustained chemical system capable of undergoing Darwinian evolution.Life is matter that can reproduce itself and evolve as survival dictates.Life is self-reproduction "with variations."Life is self-reproduction "with an error rate below the sustainability threshold."VirusesViruses are most often considered replicators rather than forms of life. They have been described as "organisms at the edge of life," since they possess genes, evolve by natural selection, and replicate by creating multiple copies of themselves through self-assembly. However, viruses do not metabolize and require a host cell to make new products. Virus self-assembly within host cells has implications for the study of the origin of life, as it may support the hypothesis that life could have started as self-assembling organic molecules.
Posted By: mildandhazyI put in my answer and was expecting someone to reply, so by all means, go ahead.
Posted By: mildandhazyUsing these critera, prions are not life. And viruses are not quite, either.
Posted By: telsaThis is crucial in defeating the naturalistic, evolutionist thinking. First, it takes a string of amino acids to make one protein molecule. But theres no natural affinity between amino acids. And they can only be held together by a different submolecular structure (I forgot what its called). So here are the odds. You have twenty something amino acids. You need them to line up in the right order to make on protein molecule. The problem is, the odds of them lining up in the right order in the right amount of times (over 100 amino acids, IN THE RIGHT ORDER, is required to make one protein molecule. The problem is, there are 20 amino acids, each one with the same probabilty of being the next amino acid in line, where only one of the twenty is needed for the protein. And in math, the ascension of numerals up the powers of 10 means multiplying the products. In other words, the equation looks like this: 1/20 times 1/20 times 1/10 times 1/20 ... over 100 times!!! This is staggeringly impossible. The odds are greater than 10 to the power of 80, against. To give some context, there are only 10 to the power of 80 known number of ATOMS in the known UNIVERSE.
Posted By: telsaSo no, life couldn't have arisen on it's own in the primordial soup.
Posted By: telsaIT REQUIRED A DESIGNER!
Posted By: QIt does have a designer - it is called the Electro-Weak force
Posted By: PzBlitzWhich brings a question of "How can you admire beauty without a creator to reveal beauty to you?" You mention being lucky. Akin to gratitude. From where would this come ?
Posted By: PzBlitzFirst of all, I'm asking a question. Second, the quote was not "happy something is" but specific words included lucky, beauty, admire, awesomeness. Thought processes that simply do not exist in other animals including primates.
Posted By: venomfangxIf it is on this forum we all have the right to peruse it and answer it. Dont be arrogant here.
Posted By: TheAtheistGodI'll do some research and come up with an answer. This is my subject. =) Thanks for the topic!
Posted By: telsacomplex forms of biology arising from pure randomness
Posted By: telsaWhat I meant about the powers: when you are calculating odds in math, you multiply the products to get the answer. However, in this scenario, we are increasing the odds by the power of, lets be generous and say 1 in 2. So for every amino acid we line up correctly, the odds of teh next correct amino acid lining up are 1 in 2. To figure out the odds of this happening for the length of a protein molecule, which has over 100 amino acids, we would need to multiply the odds of 1 in 2 over 100 times in a row. To make this simple, we use the powers of 10 scale. In other words, we right it shorthand 2^100, or 2 to the power of 100. This means that the number 2 must be multiplied by itself 100 times (2*2*2*2...all the way to 100) to get the odds of having 100 amino acis in the RIGHT ORDER. And that's my point. The odds of this happening are so little that mathematicians are calling it impossible. And that's where I believe God has inserted His presence into the Creation order to make it known to all who are searching that yes, indeed, complex life such as we see it today could NOT have arisen from basic biogogical randomness, which is what mainstream science would have you believe. To put this into perspective...I just calculated the odds of 2^15 and its greater than 1 in 10,000 against. That's only to the 15th power. NATURE NEEDS TO GO TO THE 100th POWER!!!
Posted By: telsaSo you see, the odds of complex forms of biology arising from pure randomness are so heavily against that's its safe to say it's impossible.
Posted By: telsaMathematicians, again, agree that once the odds of something reach a given point, it is declared impossible.
Posted By: telsaGod has left a footprint after all.
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