Posted By: jsizzlexChristian worldview and originate in the Bible which is, according to itself, truth.
Posted By: jsizzlexto fully understand my answers you must acknowledge that they all come from a Christian worldview and originate in the Bible which is, according to itself, truth.
Posted By: InfernoThere is no water above where the firmament isn't a(Gen 1:6-7), and no windows to let it drain in -if there was either water or firmament there.(Gen 7:11)Night is not a veil to be spread over the missing firmament like a curtain or a tent,(Psalms 104:2)and(Isiah 40:22)the stars are not made to stand in the span of this expanse(Isiah 48:13)because they are not "high" in the firmament(Job 22:12); there is no firmament, and they are so far beyond our puny world that "height" is meaningless and inapplicable.They are much too far away to be blown out of place by any storm(2 Esdras 15:34-35)and they couldn't be taken "down" by anything at all. We've also proven that the illusive heavenly firmament has no foundations either,(2 Samuel 22:8)and neither does the Earth.(Job 38:4-6)There are no pillars holding the Earth above the deep,(1 Samuel 2:8)because there is no deep.(Gen 1:2)Outer space is not full of water! We also now know what lies outside our gravitational field. And that proves that you can't have any passage of days and nights without a sun(Gen 1:13-14)to measure them against an Earth which constantly moves.(Psalms 104:5)We also know that the sun cannot be made to set at noon,(Amos 8:9)and that neither the sun nor the moon can be stopped in the sky.(Joshua 10:12-13)We also now know what is beyond our solar system. And that proves that the stars can't fall from the sky,(Matthew 24:29)and even if they did, we still couldn't stomp on them because they're each millions of miles around.(Daniel 8:10)Which makes it a bit silly to imagine a whole group of them having conscious minds, and ganging up in combat with a mere human being.(Judges 5:20)We even know now what lies beyond our galaxy. And that proves that nothing or no one could ever "seal up the stars".(Job 9:7)We also know that the Earth with its fictitious firmament didn't predate the "lights in the heavens" by any amount of time,(Genesis 1:17-19)and that the stars weren't "set" specifically to light the Earth; because the Earth is not at the center, -or the beginning- of the universe in any respect.(Gen 1:1)The way the Bible depicts the Earth in relation to the rest of the universe is wrong and has been known to be wrong for thousands of years.
Posted By: jsizzlexby posting hoardes of information that can be explained, instead of one at a time to discuss them intelligently, it gives you the illusion that you are superior in knowledge simply by attempting to dominate the discussion. i guess atheists have much more in common with mormons than i originally thought.
Posted By: ProletariatTreeHugerthere is a contradiction in your viewpoint.
Posted By: ProletariatTreeHugernot childishly insult him and try to dismiss his argument
Posted By: jsizzlexmy ultimate goal is to argue my world view with the atheist worldview so that i can better understand where the average (or above average) atheist is coming from
Posted By: jsizzlexwhats wrong with contradictions?
Posted By: jsizzlexthis did not occur.....
Posted By: jsizzlexwe still havent addressed the previous questions, but you want to move on to a lengthy list of supposed errors.
Posted By: InfernoI already showed that you're wrong about "lack of belief" vs "does not believe in"
Posted By: ProletariatTreeHugerwasn't an insult designed to make him appear less intelligent or less capable of putting forth a cogent argument. That's just being dishonest now.
Posted By: ProletariatTreeHugerWas that a serious question? In logic, things that contradict each other are things that cannot simultaneously exist. It becomes irrational to hold onto two contradicting beliefs. Are you saying you advocate irrationality?The bible cannot both be inerrant and also full of errors. This is simple logic. So if you believe the bible is inerrant, how do you address the errors within it?
Posted By: breezysprevisedI think it would be more kind of you to say you would like to understand atheism better and it would also be more gracious to not make snare remarks about the likeness to mormons or sarcastic remarks about not knowing as much as you thought you did
Posted By: breezysprevisedEvery atheist is an individual as is every christian.
Posted By: breezysprevisedon faith rather than humanity,
Posted By: breezysprevisedOh, oh! And tell me about your name!!!:D
Posted By: jsizzlexi am serious. i say they arent contradictions, you say they are......we both believe this and our statements together defy the law of non-contradiction.but if you say they are contradictions, you have no absolution that its true or will be a year from now. not according to evolution anyway. the evolution process could in theory speed up or stop tomorow and you could never be sure today of that.
Posted By: ProletariatTreeHugerI have to be honest here. That made no sense whatsoever.
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