I suppose this is the most logical place to start
  • jsizzlex
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    Wutup peops. I wont bore ya with some story about how god talks to me thru my digital clock....cuz that would make me sound like a lunatic. XD
    Anywayz, i'm a theist. I believe in the God of the Bible, to save you the trouble of asking which god. I love atheists and rather enjoy civil discussion in regards to the beliefs that separate us. I had a discussion w/ an atheist recently via twitter and his winning statement was "fu*k off, bye" and then blocked me.....that surely wont happen here. Checked out the discussions here and yall seem pretty rad and I wont name names, but even the as*holes are at least funny. :)
    that is all...
  • Inferno
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    And saying "I believe in the God of the Bible" does NOT make you a lunatic? ;)

    In any case, hello and welcome. I hope you've taken the time to acquaint yourself with such things as how to quote properly, because that will make life easier for you here.

    I'll jump straight in on it: Why do you believe in a God and why, of all Gods you could choose from, the God of the Bible? Is the Bible inerrant or is it a story-book? And so on and so forth.
  • venomfangxvenomfangx
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    Posted By: jsizzlexregards to the beliefs that separate us.

    First mistake, it is our lack of belief that separates us: you believe in utter nonsense without evidence. By the way you are an atheists as you do not believe most likely in Zeus, Thor, Apollo or the great ju ju at the bottom of the ocean: we have just another god we do not believe in: Yaweh (Allah, Jehovah). As image said what compells you to believe in such rubbish on faith alone when there is not the slightest shred of credible evidence that the god Yaweh ever existed or that any of the tomes of the christian bible have any credibility.
    There comes a point in your life when you realize who really matters, who never did, and who always will.
  • jsizzlex
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    Posted By: venomfangxFirst mistake


    First mistake is correcting me. your lack of belief in God is still a belief that there is none. so in that alone we are separated by beliefs.


    Posted By: InfernoWhy do you believe in a God

    I have no reason not to


    Posted By: Infernowhy, of all Gods you could choose from, the God of the Bible?


    He is the only God, and the only God that can offer visible evidence (whether we find it acceptable or not is irrelevant)



    Posted By: InfernoIs the Bible inerrant or is it a story-book?


    yes it is inerrant. however within it are various styles of writing and should be interpreted accordingly.
  • Inferno
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    Posted By: jsizzlexFirst mistake is correcting me. your lack of belief in God is still a belief that there is none. so in that alone we are separated by beliefs.


    So you're saying health is an illness and bald is a hair colour? You're saying that not believing in Fairies and Santa Claus is an active belief?

    Posted By: jsizzlexI have no reason not to


    You're dodging my question. Why do you believe in God? What proof or evidence is there? And why that God?

    Posted By: jsizzlexHe is the only God, and the only God that can offer visible evidence (whether we find it acceptable or not is irrelevant)


    Great. What is it?

    Posted By: jsizzlexyes it is inerrant. however within it are various styles of writing and should be interpreted accordingly.


    image
    Take that, inerrant Bible!
  • venomfangxvenomfangx
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    Posted By: jsizzlexyour lack of belief in God is still a belief that there is none

    Wrong, a lack of belief is simply that. There are an infinite things that do not exist such as a flying tea pot in orbit around Jupiter: I would not expect you to believe such a thing exists without me providing evidence if I support the claim that it does. The onus is on you to provide evidence of the existence of anything you claim, we simply sit back and don't care as until then it does not exist. We do not prove the negative any more than we attempt to prove that Santa or the tooth fairy does not exist.

    Posted By: jsizzlexwhether we find it acceptable or not is irrelevant

    This is your whole point, you believe due to faulty logical thinking. To be honest I doubt that you think God is real any more than you believe Unicorns exist or cave trolls.
    There comes a point in your life when you realize who really matters, who never did, and who always will.
  • jsizzlex
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    for the future, dont act like a mormon and begin one point then start another before an understanding has been reached to the first. :) it'll save time in the long run. i will address Tyre lastly and start with your first question being :



    Posted By: Infernonot believing in Fairies and Santa Claus is an active belief?

    yes, not believing in these is at the same time an active belief that they do not. #logic
    (i realize hashtags dont work here...they're just fun)

    whether you agree or not, are you sufficed with my response to your first objection?
  • jsizzlex
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    Posted By: venomfangxWrong, a lack of belief is simply that. There are an infinite things that do not exist such as a flying tea pot in orbit around Jupiter


    do you believe they dont exist? if you say they dont exist, you must believe that they dont or you wouldnt have brought it up in the first place.
  • jsizzlex
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    Posted By: venomfangx
    whether we find it acceptable or not is irrelevant

    This is your whole point, you believe due to faulty logical thinking


    i said this coming from a Christian world view existing within the confines of scripture and is purely logical therein. my statement was not coming from your atheistic world view because it wouldnt be logical to do so. #context
  • Inferno
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    Posted By: jsizzlexwhether you agree or not, are you sufficed with my response to your first objection?


    I absolutely disagree. Lack of belief =/= belief, that's the whole point. #definition #logic
  • jsizzlex
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    Posted By: InfernoI absolutely disagree. Lack of belief =/= belief, that's the whole point. #definition #logic

    so do you believ God does not exist?
  • venomfangxvenomfangx
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    Posted By: jsizzlexif you say they dont exist, you must believe that they dont or you wouldnt have brought it up in the first place.

    No one is saying they do not exist but it is a matter of probability; it is highly improbable that the things do not exist: no one can state with 100% certainty that any purported claim does not exist. No one goes around disproving anything as it is not possible but the likelihood that Santa exists is about the same as that God exists. If they do then fine, but where is the evidence to back up that claim.

    You are going down the slippery slope between agnosticism and atheism. Most here are as atheist as you can get but few go as far as to claim they can disprove something. However, on the probability of such entities you claim exist, that probability is so low as to be accepted as non existing. We simply ask for you affirming that something exists to provide the evidence for your claim. If you can't there is no point in believing it as a fact.
    There comes a point in your life when you realize who really matters, who never did, and who always will.
  • venomfangxvenomfangx
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    Posted By: jsizzlexso do you believ God does not exist?

    It is highly improbable that a god you describe ever, has or will exist.
    There comes a point in your life when you realize who really matters, who never did, and who always will.
  • jsizzlex
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    Posted By: venomfangxIt is highly improbable that a god you describe ever, has or will exist.


    the point was never that you or i can prove it, but that you and i believe different things.
    but even still under your supposition based on this and that do you BELIEVE God does not exist? take a stance. or identify yourself as one who believes nothing either way in regards to the existence of God.
  • jsizzlex
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    Posted By: InfernoI absolutely disagree

    thats fine. are you satisfied tho in order to move on?
  • Inferno
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    Posted By: jsizzlex
    Posted By: InfernoI absolutely disagree

    thats fine. are you satisfied tho in order to move on?http://thethinkeasy.info/


    No. Defend your stance.

    Posted By: jsizzlex
    Posted By: InfernoI absolutely disagree. Lack of belief =/= belief, that's the whole point. #definition #logic

    so do you believ God does not exist?http://thethinkeasy.info/


    In the same way that you believe a Unicorn or Fairy or giant mutant ninja mushrooms from outer space does not exist.
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