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  • constancewainwright
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    Hey just getting the hang of things here. I'm Connie, and in the words of John Lennon 'I don't believe in Jesus'. I'm more agnostic than an atheist, but I'm always a fan of discussion and I love science.
  • Inferno
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    Posted By: constancewainwrightI'm more agnostic than an atheist


    How so? "Agnostic" is a qualifier to a position, not a position itself.

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  • mildandhazymildandhazy
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    Welcome!

    Posted By: Inferno
    Posted By: constancewainwrightI'm more agnostic than an atheist
    How so? "Agnostic" is a qualifier to a position, not a position itself.
    Agreed. Here is a fun graphic:
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  • Inferno
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    Posted By: mildandhazyAgreed. Here is a fun graphic:


    I was looking for that, thank you. :)
  • constancewainwright
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    Posted By: mildandhazyWelcome!

    Posted By: InfernoPosted By: constancewainwrightI'm more agnostic than an atheistHow so? "Agnostic" is a qualifier to a position, not a position itself.Agreed. Here is a fun graphic:
    I concur:Inferno

    By that graphic I'd have to go with Agnostic Atheist.

    To be honest, it's not even that I don't really believe in a god, it's that I just don't think it matters all that much. People get too caught up in religion and lose sight of what's important most of the time.
  • Inferno
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    Constance, please press "html" at the bottom of your post. It makes stuff that much easier.
  • AkutaAkuta
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    Posted By: constancewainwrightBy that graphic I'd have to go with Agnostic Atheist.

    To be honest, it's not even that I don't really believe in a god, it's that I just don't think it matters all that much. People get too caught up in religion and lose sight of what's important most of the time.

    Then you'd be a gnostic atheist. You are someone who possibly could believe a god exists but is "without god."
    "Everybody can get angry, that's easy. But getting angry at the right person, with the right intensity, at the right time, for the right reason and in the right way, that's hard." - Aristotle
  • Inferno
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    Posted By: AkutaThen you'd be an agnostic atheist. You are someone who possibly could believe a god exists but is "without god."


    You were missing two letters there.
  • AkutaAkuta
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    Posted By: InfernoYou were missing two letters there.

    Umm, No... I wasn't. If you had read the fucking words that were quoted you'd realize how wrong you are, Inferno. They said it wasn't about them not believing in a god but that it doesn't matter... They didn't say "I don't believe that god exists, and I don't think it matters all that much."
    "Everybody can get angry, that's easy. But getting angry at the right person, with the right intensity, at the right time, for the right reason and in the right way, that's hard." - Aristotle
  • venomfangxvenomfangx
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    Posted By: Akutafucking words

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  • Inferno
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    Posted By: AkutaIf you had read the fucking words that were quoted you'd realize how wrong you are, Inferno.


    I did read it. Make me realize how right I am.

    However, his/her comments are slightly confusing, I'll grant you that. Let's wait until s/he responds with a detailed description of what s/he believes, then we'll know that I'm right.
  • constancewainwright
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    Wow you're all making this so complicated.

    I don't believe in a god, and I don't really think it matters in the whole scheme of things if a god exists or not. Religions seem to come and go through history and religions and cultures evolve and mostly, people just sem to want to get on with their lives.

    But I also don't claim to know everything and since it's something I couldn't possibly have any proof of, I'm willing to admit I could be wrong.

    I'm a she, by the way.
  • Inferno
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    Posted By: constancewainwrightBut I also don't claim to know everything and since it's something I couldn't possibly have any proof of, I'm willing to admit I could be wrong.


    Agnostic atheist then, NOT gnostic. See Akuta?

    Posted By: constancewainwrightI'm a she, by the way.


    Thought so but some guys get really buthurt if you call em "she".
  • AkutaAkuta
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    Posted By: InfernoAgnostic atheist then, NOT gnostic. See Akuta?

    Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.

    Please, tell me where in the original text it makes this claim. I'll make it easier for you by quoting the text in question:


    it's not even that I don't really believe in a god, it's that I just don't think it matters all that much.

    The person in question is not making a statement of it not being possible to know, but that they do not think it matters much one way or the other. This is *not* a claim of agnosticism.

    Not believing in a god isn't "not believing it's possible to know whether a god exists or not."

    This is why I made the stance at gnostic atheist. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. Correcting me as though I committed a mistake through ignorance before actually asking why I came the the assessment I did is where you failed to come through, Inferno. ;)

    Posted By: constancewainwrightI don't believe in a god, and I don't really think it matters in the whole scheme of things if a god exists or not. Religions seem to come and go through history and religions and cultures evolve and mostly, people just sem to want to get on with their lives.

    This is precisely what brings many of us to the atheist table... religions, whether they be right or wrong in their assertions, appear to come and go and evolve to suite the society they exist in all the while just giving people hope to not have nothingness after death.

    Posted By: constancewainwrightI'm a she, by the way.

    So is the Constance Wainwright from The Callender Papers. I just didn't want to make an assumption, so I used sexless terms such as "they" and "them." Now that I know, I'll use "she." :)
    "Everybody can get angry, that's easy. But getting angry at the right person, with the right intensity, at the right time, for the right reason and in the right way, that's hard." - Aristotle
  • venomfangxvenomfangx
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    Posted By: constancewainwrightyou're all making this so complicated.

    The best is yet to come
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  • Inferno
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    Posted By: AkutaThis is *not* a claim of agnosticism.


    You're starting to really make me angry with your "I know it better". Why don't you quote the relevant part?

    Posted By: constancewainwrightBy that graphic I'd have to go with Agnostic Atheist.


    There, plain and simple. The rest of the statement (the one you focused on) says nothing either way, which is why the only information we have is the above.

    Posted By: AkutaCorrecting me as though I committed a mistake through ignorance


    Not ignorance, merely a typo.

    Posted By: Akutabefore actually asking why I came to (not "he") the assessment I did is where you failed to come through, Inferno. ;)


    It doesn't matter why you came to the conclusion. The assessment was clearly wrong, which is why I corrected you.

    In fact, your post clearly shows why I assumed you made a typo, I've highlighted the typo in red, which is also what I did in the first correction 8 posts above this one. (If you don't understand the correction now: You wrote "the" twice, where one of the "the"'s was supposed to be a "to".)
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