Domestic Violence Registry? Match.com to screen sex offenders?
  • mildandhazymildandhazy
    Posts: 911Citizen
    Domestic Violence Registry Proposed

    Match.com to Screen Users on the Sex Offender Registry

    Is there no personal responsibility anymore?
    Edited to fix link.
    For everyone backed in a corner:
    Evacuations are in order.
    And we're leaving tonight.
  • AkutaAkuta
    Posts: 4,931Citizen
    "My mommy and daddy made me this way... It's not my fault I kill people."
    "Everybody can get angry, that's easy. But getting angry at the right person, with the right intensity, at the right time, for the right reason and in the right way, that's hard." - Aristotle
  • mildandhazymildandhazy
    Posts: 911Citizen
    While I agree with your sarcastic comment, Akuta, about the perpetrators not taking responsibility, don't we as women have a personal responsibility to not make ourselves victims?
    In the first article, they begin by telling a story of a woman who was physically abused and then goes on to say that this man is on dating sites talking to women. What role do these women who interact with men who they don't know on the internet play in protecting themselves?

    The same question can apply to the second article: A woman sued Match.com because she was matched with a sex-offender. Now Match.com is going to check if users are on the sex-offender registry.

    While I realize that these measures can simply be tools to help a woman make better choices online, and in real life, I am afraid that because these measures are in place, it will just make women NOT as careful and more susceptible to a bad situation.
    For everyone backed in a corner:
    Evacuations are in order.
    And we're leaving tonight.
  • kazza26
    Posts: 1,539Citizen
    Posted By: Akuta"My mommy and daddy made me this way... It's not my fault I kill people."


    or

    `i was brought up in a poor country its not my fault i turned in to a murdering scum bum'

    i was abused there for i abuse others

    in both situations u can use them in a positive way

    k u was brought up in a poor country.so help those less fortunate then u,or offer advise to youngsters

    u was abused.use ur experiences 2 help others.
  • Inferno
    Posts: 6,778Citizen
    Posted By: mildandhazydon't we as women have a personal responsibility to not make ourselves victims?


    Could you explain that a bit more please? From what I read, it (wrongly?) sounds like you're suggesting that women shouldn't wear too short a skirt because men can't be responsible for their animal urges.
    Is Akuta that way? ;)

    Posted By: mildandhazyWhat role do these women who interact with men who they don't know on the internet play in protecting themselves?


    Again, what exactly do you mean? From what I gather, you're suggesting that women should be more careful when dating online? Is that it? If it is, get me a mirror, quick!

    Posted By: mildandhazy
    While I realize that these measures can simply be tools to help a woman make better choices online, and in real life, I am afraid that because these measures are in place, it will just make women NOT as careful and more susceptible to a bad situation.


    Are you saying that they're more careful now? If so, I'd partially agree with you, but I'd point out that people aren't careful enough,so the "more careful" might not be a lot more.
  • demented cookies
    Posts: 3,619Citizen
    Posted By: kazza26
    Posted By: Akuta"My mommy and daddy made me this way... It's not my fault I kill people."


    or

    `i was brought up in a poor country its not my fault i turned in to a murdering scum bum'

    Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.
  • mildandhazymildandhazy
    Posts: 911Citizen
    Posted By: Inferno
    Posted By: mildandhazydon't we as women have a personal responsibility to not make ourselves victims?


    Could you explain that a bit more please? From what I read, it (wrongly?) sounds like you're suggesting that women shouldn't wear too short a skirt because men can't be responsible for their animal urges.
    Is Akuta that way? ;)
    I think you are reading too much into this statement as I was referring to the articles I posted, silly. Women should be vigilant in protecting themselves. They should investigate and get to know the person they are going to date as to protect themselves from harm. There are other measures you can take to protect yourself as well when meeting a new person for the first time. (Akuta is exactly the way I need him ;)

    Posted By: Inferno
    Posted By: mildandhazyWhat role do these women who interact with men who they don't know on the internet play in protecting themselves?

    Again, what exactly do you mean? From what I gather, you're suggesting that women should be more careful when dating online? Is that it? If it is, get me a mirror, quick!
    I wasn't saying anything, I was asking a question. Also Inferno, I don't remember having a conversation with you about the safety measures I took while meeting someone I knew from the internet :) I guess the measures a woman shoul take depend a lot on who she is.

    Posted By: Inferno
    Posted By: mildandhazyWhile I realize that these measures can simply be tools to help a woman make better choices online, and in real life, I am afraid that because these measures are in place, it will just make women NOT as careful and more susceptible to a bad situation.

    Are you saying that they're more careful now? If so, I'd partially agree with you, but I'd point out that people aren't careful enough,so the "more careful" might not be a lot more.
    I think the solution is to get the message out, to educate women on safety issues online. I don't really know if a registry for everything is the answer. One could think that these registries give people a false sense of security. . . I don't know. I don't understand women, to be honest. I mean who sues the website in which you meet a guy who turns out to be a sex offender (and what does that say about the woman who was matched with him *snicker*). I mean, what if this were a speed-dating meeting, would she sue the organization that set up the meeting?
    For everyone backed in a corner:
    Evacuations are in order.
    And we're leaving tonight.
  • conundrum111
    Posts: 3Serf
    I have a couple of thoughts on the matter. First of all, the National Sex Offender Registry is a faulted list. While it has virtually EVERY person convicted of a 'sex crime' on the list, what do you think constitutes a 'sexual act' according to the Registry?

    Sadly, victimless crimes like public urination and public masturbation fit the bill, even if someone is hidden in an alley behind a dumpster to pee, or in a closed booth in an Adult shop to masturbate. While you may not wish to date someone who would pee on a wall, you have to admit that putting them on a Sex Offender list along with serial rapists and pedophiles is a little, actually a lot, crazy. The List must be corrected to reflect the seriousness or repetition of a crime, so as not to ruin the life of (for example) someone with a small bladder and no other options.

    Secondly, we are sadly faulted as a nation when we have no further input than leaving it up to the imaginations of our citizenry how to behave during a date. Am I wrong in believing that young people about to enter the dating world should be able to take a class in behavior and socializing? Wouldn't it be smart to teach behaviors to teenagers which are considered admirable and to demonize those which only serve to cast negative reactions?

    Granted I haven't been to school in a long time but I believe a class like that might have helped me get over severe shyness and meet quality individuals when I was young, as well as pepper the dating road with helpful advice. Right now it seems kids get most of their knowledge from friends, television and movies. If it were me, I'd prefer to be coached into becoming a successful and popular person top the opposite sex.

    Finally, I think it's silly to be expecting women to dress and behave demurely to avoid rape. The vast majority of men know to treat women respectfully regardless of their dress. Still, for the few women who actually behave licentiously, as when wearing see-through clothing, short skirts without underwear, ridiculously oversized implants or behaving overtly sexual... if you are communicating permissiveness in that fashion, is it really hard to believe that some men might pick up on it, or act on it? Bottom line, those types of women could certainly use that class as well, if for no other reason than to learn that subtlety is WAY sexier than overt behavior, plus inspires mature interaction.

    That's my two cents.
  • kazza26
    Posts: 1,539Citizen
    Posted By: demented cookies
    concurquote
    Posted By: kazza26
    Posted By: Akuta"My mommy and daddy made me this way... It's not my fault I kill people."


    or

    `i was brought up in a poor country its not my fault i turned in to a murdering scum bum'

    Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.


    hee hee knew that would bring you out. its the classic defense line extreme lefties use ,its not his or her fault they turned in to a murderer they came from a poor country .my arse.dont make a bit of different.people can be brought up in a rich family and still be a murderer and people can be brought up in a poorer situation and be decent members of society.
  • AkutaAkuta
    Posts: 4,931Citizen
    Posted By: InfernoCould you explain that a bit more please? From what I read, it (wrongly?) sounds like you're suggesting that women shouldn't wear too short a skirt because men can't be responsible for their animal urges.
    Is Akuta that way? ;)

    1) It says nothing about what the woman choses to wear... The topic is about the new match.com regs and the domestic violence registry... You're jumping from one idea to another. Not good, Inferno... Not good.

    2) No, I am not like that. There's a difference between being a sex offender and having natural physical needs.

    Posted By: conundrum111Sadly, victimless crimes like public urination and public masturbation fit the bill, even if someone is hidden in an alley behind a dumpster to pee, or in a closed booth in an Adult shop to masturbate.

    Public masturbation is not a victimless crime. I'm about as liberal as it comes when it comes to one's sexual comforts; however, there must be a line drawn and the line is actual sexual acts in public for most societies. I don't think that public masturbation should automatically constitute a "sex offender registration," but I still think it should not be acceptable.

    And public urination charges are ridiculous IMO. If a person is peeing somewhere someone has to GO to see them, they shouldn't be charged for public urination... I mean, they DID go and HIDE to go pee. Example of this would be bushes. Obviously it's a "hazard issue" if people pee on the sidewalk, but peeing in the bushes or into a sewer grate in an alley when no one is there? C'mon...
    "Everybody can get angry, that's easy. But getting angry at the right person, with the right intensity, at the right time, for the right reason and in the right way, that's hard." - Aristotle
  • demented cookies
    Posts: 3,619Citizen
    Posted By: kazza26hee hee knew that would bring you out. its the classic defense line extreme lefties use ,its not his or her fault they turned in to a murderer they came from a poor country .my arse.dont make a bit of different.people can be brought up in a rich family and still be a murderer and people can be brought up in a poorer situation and be decent members of society.

    I meant that this has been brought up so many fucking times and it really doesn't belong in this thread.
  • kazza26
    Posts: 1,539Citizen
    demented I dont care to be honest
  • demented cookies
    Posts: 3,619Citizen
    It seems you don't care about a lot of things.
  • AkutaAkuta
    Posts: 4,931Citizen
    Posted By: demented cookiesIt seems you don't care about a lot of things."Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted." -John Lennon

    Zing.
    "Everybody can get angry, that's easy. But getting angry at the right person, with the right intensity, at the right time, for the right reason and in the right way, that's hard." - Aristotle
  • venomfangxvenomfangx
    Posts: 6,701Archduke
    It would seem that what is considered a sex offense is a fairly modern concept. Of course rape and violation are no issues but the age of consent is... it is this which to me seems political and without rationalization. The age of consent here is 14 but in most places it is 16..in the US in some states it is still 18 and 21 in one State I last checked. To be convicted of a crime is a shameful act but I think it should be outside the sphere of politics and perhaps into something more concrete. Whatever that cement is I have no idea but a worthy discussion cation point.
    VFX
    There comes a point in your life when you realize who really matters, who never did, and who always will.
  • AkutaAkuta
    Posts: 4,931Citizen
    Posted By: venomfangxhe age of consent here is 14 but in most places it is 16..in the US in some states it is still 18 and 21 in one State I last checked.

    I know of no states that carry an 18 or 21 year old consent age. It is pretty universal at 16. Of course, I'm at work, so I'm not going to go rooting around the internet looking for ages of consent...

    Posted By: venomfangxIt would seem that what is considered a sex offense is a fairly modern concept.

    Relatively modern, yes... Then again, it is a relatively modern concept that women are their own beings and not objects to be owned... How could you possibly rape something that has no say, right? (No, this isn't targeted at you but agreeing with you and stating that the likely reason is because women were seen as objects of ownership that had no say in what they were allowed or told to do)
    "Everybody can get angry, that's easy. But getting angry at the right person, with the right intensity, at the right time, for the right reason and in the right way, that's hard." - Aristotle
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