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     CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   First of all, someone explain in PLAIN ENGLISh what a multivariate is!
   
   I know I'm a dork.
   
   1 Should doctors be allowed to pray with their patients.
   
   2 Throughout this survey it is apparent there is no proof that R/S heals any person. BUT it is concluded that in many cases it does help people to cope or have a healthier lifestyle. A much smaller percentage is R/S that stifles the healing. So, I am wondering if it is not MIND over MATTER in many cases and if it is actually a GOOD IDEA to explore the subject of MINDSET in illness as opposed to dry religion or spirituality. I'm sure that has been done, but what do YOU think?
   
   Scan through this for me.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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     CommentAuthorJari
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   I don't even need to click those links, I think you've said all I need to hear.
   
   One, lets just get this out of the way, the placebo effect. Some people (for usually minor things) can somehow heal themselves or at least alter their symptoms because the brain just works like that.
   
   Two, a doctor praying would be seen as an incredibly bad sign from me. If my doctor is so in-fucking-ept as to resort to prayer we might as well be using leeches and drilling holes in my head for headaches.
   
   Three, it has been proven a thousand times over that prayer has no effect on anything. Just because you really want something doesn't mean it will just happen. There is always a reason behind every event, and we all know prayer is just a means to act like you care and are doing something for someone when really you aren't. So please doc, fuck off with the prayer, and get a real medical degree.Live Short & Suffer
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     CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   Hm, I think you should read it, because you are a bit on the defensive. I only picked out a few things that hadn't been adressed.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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     CommentAuthorJari
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    

   Posted By: breezyspreezyHm, I think you should read it, because you are a bit on the defensive

   
   
   I've heard this kind of bullshit all my life breezy. My mom firmly believes in this shit along with other people I know and it is absolutely fucking insulting to hear this sort of shit when I've been in severe chronic pain since I popped out of my mom's box. When my problems are dismissed to stupid shit and even dumber people who don't have a care in the world about anyone else all I can do is PRAY they get severely maimed and die a horrific, slow, burning death along with their children.Live Short & Suffer
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     CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   Is it bad that I laughed there?
   
   I understand. I was just saying the survey is actually more in favor of medicine without R/S. But I get that it would be difficult to read statistics about the differing opinions of Phds on the subject. It is difficult when people say "trust in God and you will be okay", when you don't and you won't and they have no idea what it's like to be you.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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     CommentAuthorMATT
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   1. If the doctor and patient agree, then sure.
   
   2. Too long for me to understand, I haven't slept for about twenty-two hours, so I'll back to you when I can comprehend that.
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     CommentAuthordemented cookies
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   1. As long as it doesn't do any harm, and both/all parties involved agree that it's okay, go for it. I mean, it's stupid to deny someone the right to pray even though praying is useless. It's part of their freedom. However, I believe there was a study that (I think) Dawkins described in "The God Delusion" in which one group of patients was didn't receive any prayers, another group received prayers and were not told about it, and the third group received prayers knowing that they were being prayed for. The first and second groups recovered pretty much the same but the recovery of most of the patients in the third group was hindered because they subconsciously believed they were being pressured to recover. Or something like that.

   I concur: Sourdough, Fearmonger, simplyviennaaa

   "I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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     CommentAuthorJari
   • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

    

   Posted By: demented cookies1. As long as it doesn't do any harm, and both/all parties involved agree that it's okay, go for it. I mean, it's stupid to deny someone the right to pray even though praying is useless. It's part of their freedom. However, I believe there was a study that (I think) Dawkins described in "The God Delusion" in which one group of patients was didn't receive any prayers, another group received prayers and were not told about it, and the third group received prayers knowing that they were being prayed for. The first and second groups recovered pretty much the same but the recovery of most of the patients in the third group was hindered because they subconsciously believed they were being pressured to recover. Or something like that.

   
   
   I remember this study and I believe I made a little reference to it (though I forgot it was done by dawkins).Live Short & Suffer
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     CommentAuthorProletariatTreeHuger
   • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

    

   Posted By: JariI remember this study and I believe I made a little reference to it (though I forgot it was done by dawkins).

   
   No, Dawkins didn't do it. He only spoke of it in his book, and elsewhere.
   http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html