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     CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
   • CommentTimeJul 30th 2010

    
   What do you guys think happens when we die?
   I'm not sure if I've already talked about this previously but eh what the hell, it's on my mind. I still can't get passed the tiniest shred of hope I have for there being an afterlife. It seriously scares the shit out of me to think that this is it. This is the one and only chance I get at living etc; Am I the only one that continues to be ignorant and want something else to exist? I just can't come to accept that science can answer everything and that one day all of the unknowns will be figured out. So help me out here. Any other perspectives that will help me accept and come to realize that this is just the way it is, or am I not entirely selfish to think that there might be something else, whether it is a God or just another dimension of some sort....
   
   
   
   On another note, I glanced at a thread that talked about newborns dying and whether they went to heaven or hell. Just thinking about that, led me to thinking about kids that died. I'm sure we're all aware of those fucking ten commandments we're supposed to follow and if we break them, it's considered a sin. But what happens if a kid breaks a commandment, what happens to him/her? If a boy wants a lolipop and his mom won't buy it and he just takes it anyway, does he get damned to hell for it, even though he may not truly grasp the concept of right and wrong?
   
   Just a thought."When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
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     CommentAuthorPoemOf4Letters
   • CommentTimeJul 30th 2010

    
   A talk with this Christian guy I knew:
   
   Him: I don't get it. you're an atheist, but you're so Christian. You've never drunken anything, never smoked anything, don't have sex...
   Me: Yeah. I don't have forever in heaven. I have to stay alive as long as I can.
   
   Really I was thinking about death yesterday and how reality is just going to cut off for me and I'll be gone. It literally gave me the chills. The most I hope for in afterlife though is that maybe that last second of life will stretch out into eternity in my perspective. I know what you mean by the lack of hope though, my thread "Beauty and love are not enough" is kind of related to what you just said.
   
   As for the other, I guess hypothetically the kid goes to purgatory.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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     CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
   • CommentTimeJul 30th 2010

    
   Oh right, how could I forget about that :P
   And yeah, I get the chills thing to. Sometimes I'll just lay there at night and being in the dark makes me think about being in a coffin, and then I start freaking out.
   
   Yeah..I'm weird."When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
4. • CommentAuthorSgtVoodoo
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   Basically, I would LOVE to be able to live after death, but to our knowledge, its unlikey.
   
   But the way I see it, when we die, we're gone. Its not like we die and go "Shit... What now?" and sit there in blackness for eternity.
   
   Epicurus describes it perfectly.
   "When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not...
   
   Epicurus also believed (contra Aristotle) that death was not to be feared. When a man dies, he does not feel the pain of death because he no longer is and he therefore feels nothing. Therefore, as Epicurus famously said, "death is nothing to us."
   
   All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness."
   
   He was pretty coolAn atheist is a person who believes that the murder of a single little girl— even once in a million years—casts doubt upon the idea of a benevolent God.
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     CommentAuthornitrofevr
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   Why fear something that we can not control? I do not think about death much because I am so caught up in how wonderful life is now. if i were to worry about it all the time I would be a miserable person. Misery does not have to be the river of the world but it is because far to many many people are engulfed with the idea of death. How wonderful would it be if everyone thought that there is no life after death. There would be so much less to fight over. John Lennon's "Imagine" says it perfectly but I really like A Perfect Circle's version
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktv2C9vnRKU

   I concur: SgtVoodoo

   "So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.” - Lawrence krauss
6. • CommentAuthorSgtVoodoo
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010 edited

    

   Posted By: nitrofevrWhy fear something that we can not control? I do not think about death much because I am so caught up in how wonderful life is now. if i were to worry about it all the time I would be a miserable person. Misery does not have to be the river of the world but it is because far to many many people are engulfed with the idea of death. How wonderful would it be if everyone thought that there is no life after death. There would be so much less to fight over. John Lennon's "Imagine" says it perfectly but I really like A Perfect Circle's version
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktv2C9vnRKU

   
   
   A Perfect Circle's Awesome. Listen to tool at all?
   
   I am scared of dieing, but not death. Like the only thing in the world I am scared of is drowning. But death itself isn't scary, its motivation to live life to the fullestAn atheist is a person who believes that the murder of a single little girl— even once in a million years—casts doubt upon the idea of a benevolent God.
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     CommentAuthornitrofevr
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   Of coarse....."So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.” - Lawrence krauss
8. • CommentAuthorSgtVoodoo
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   O_O they're my favorite band in the world. I just got back from their concert a month agoAn atheist is a person who believes that the murder of a single little girl— even once in a million years—casts doubt upon the idea of a benevolent God.
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     CommentAuthorvenomfangx
   • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

    
   Archduke

   Posted By: nitrofevrOf coarse.....

   
   of courseGénéralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
10. •  
      CommentAuthornitrofevr
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: venomfangx

    Posted By: nitrofevrOf coarse.....

    
    of course

    
    
    Thought you might say that...."So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.” - Lawrence krauss
11. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: venomfangx

    Posted By: nitrofevrOf coarse.....

    
    of courseGénéralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.

    
    Are you serious Vfx? How dare you call me immature for arguing with Kazza, and then do a stupid, immature version of what I did.
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      CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: nitrofevrWhy fear something that we can not control? I do not think about death much because I am so caught up in how wonderful life is now. if i were to worry about it all the time I would be a miserable person.

    
    
    I don't really sit here and think of death because I want to, it just overtakes me sometimes. It's like when I'm lying in bed, I let my mind just drift off, I don't try to think about it, it just happens. And I'm quite content with my life, thank you."When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
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      CommentAuthorFearmonger
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: simplyviennaaaIt seriously scares the shit out of me to think that this is it. This is the one and only chance I get at living etc; Am I the only one that continues to be ignorant and want something else to exist?

    Not at all. I'm completely the same. It's scary to think about. Really scary. I like to think it'll be less scary later on in life, once I've experienced shit, but what the hell do I know? I remember being absolutely horrified on my ninth birthday because all I could think about was death. I remember staying up all night when I was even younger than that, just thinking about it. Which is weird.“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.” -Dr. Suess
14. •  
      CommentAuthorvenomfangx
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     
    Archduke

    Posted By: MATTAre you serious Vfx?

    
    of course

    I concur: SgtVoodoo

    Généralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
15. • CommentAuthorSgtVoodoo
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     
    ZING!An atheist is a person who believes that the murder of a single little girl— even once in a million years—casts doubt upon the idea of a benevolent God.
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      CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: FearmongerI remember staying up all night when I was even younger than that, just thinking about it. Which is weird.

    
    The weird thing is that I did the exact same thing around the same time. Shit, I still do it every now and then. It just freaks me the fuck out. I've gone into a panic attack once about it because I was so caught into the thought. My goodness, I'm lame. :/"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
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      CommentAuthorJari
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     
    Weird, I usually look forward to the idea of death. Not sure which I prefer more though, nothingness or just my own beautiful mind to talk to. As long as people stfu and I'm alone I'm a happy corpse.Live Short & Suffer
18. •  
      CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: JariAs long as people stfu and I'm alone

    
    I wanna be with you too dear."When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
19. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: venomfangx

    Posted By: MATTAre you serious Vfx?

    
    of course

    I concur:SgtVoodoo

    Généralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.

    
    
    Okay, that was pretty good.

    I concur: simplyviennaaa
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      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: simplyviennaaa

    As long as people stfu and I'm alone

    
    I wanna be with you too dear.

    
    
    That was perfect.:)(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     

    Posted By: breezyspreezy

    Posted By: simplyviennaaa

    As long as people stfu and I'm alone

    
    I wanna be with you too dear.

    
    
    That was perfect.:)

    
    
    Thankss :P"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
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      CommentAuthordemented cookies
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     
    I'm not sure if someone said this already, because I was too lazy to read the entire thread, but death with probably be very similar to what it was like before you were born. Every one of us spent millions, billions of years not being alive and after we die we'll spend some more millions, billions of years not being alive. There's nothing to worry about, though. When you die you won't even notice.

    I concur: PoemOf4Letters, Sourdough, SgtVoodoo

    "I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthorvenomfangx
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     
    Archduke

    Posted By: demented cookiesbut death with probably be very similar to what it was like before you were born.

    
    there will be not one iota of difference.Généralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
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      CommentAuthordemented cookies
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2010

     
    I certainly hope so, VFX. I can't imagine having to "live" for eternity, no matter what the afterlife would be like."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    I guess it isn't the state of being dead that bugs me, it's that moment where I do die that I fear."When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
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      CommentAuthorvenomfangx
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    Archduke

    Posted By: simplyviennaaat's that moment where I do die that I fear.

    
    You wont know it is the same as going to sleepGénéralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     

    Posted By: venomfangx

    Posted By: simplyviennaaat's that moment where I do die that I fear.

    
    You wont know it is the same as going to sleepGénéralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.

    
    The process itself might not be frightening, but I would hate going to sleep knowing I won't wake up. I'd like to believe I'll fade out of existence blissfully unaware of my imminent expiration, but I fear my last moments may feature the terrifying realization that this is it. It's just inherently terrifying to know you're about to die, we're programmed to avoid it."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorvenomfangx
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    Archduke

    Posted By: norml, but I would hate going to sleep knowing I won't wake up

    
    You can't hate what you do not have any knowledge of.
    
    

    Posted By: normlIt's just inherently terrifying to know you're about to die

    
    You assume but only the executed know this fear: the greatest fear is not death but the fear of fear.Généralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
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      CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    No I think it's like if I had a heart attack, or some thing as dramatic, just the thought in my mind of it all being over, that is if there isn't an after life, but since we don't know that, I'd just be panicking about being done with. Idk...maybe I'm the only weird one that freaks over shit like that."When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    And who's to say I won't be executed? The fear of death is something biologically programmed into us. While we may recognize it as irrational, we can't easily escape it."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorvenomfangx
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    Archduke

    Posted By: normlThe fear of death is something biologically programmed into us.

    
    I thought it was the fear of fear.Généralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    The fear of fear is acquired; you're afraid once, then you're afraid of feeling that way again."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorJari
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    When I was near death I wasn't afraid, but was laughing at the worry of others. I guess it made me giddy to see people suffer and saddened by my potential death. The whole being nearly dead thing sucked though, but there was no fear. Then again I'm not wired at all like normal people. In instances where most are afraid and jumpy I'm calm. When most are angry I'm chill or happy. When most are happy I'm irritable. When most are calm I'm anxious.Live Short & Suffer
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      CommentAuthordemented cookies
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    I don't think I'm afraid of death or fear, but of what I'm going to miss when I'm gone."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
35. •  
      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     
    I am afraid of dying without having a stable enough basis to leave behind for my kids. I am not allowed to die for at least 5 to 10 years.:)(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorProletariatTreeHuger
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010

     

    Posted By: JariI wasn't afraid, I wasn't petrified, I was laughing at the worry in others eyes.

37. •  
      CommentAuthorJari
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     
    And....? I just found it hilarious. I had a few moments thinking it would totally suck to die NOW when I hadn't done x and x yet. I think I was more worried bout things that didn't matter. The last thing on my mind was the fact my life was either going to be cut short cause of the whole thing, or I'd just end up dead. I remember calling Vienna at the end of the first night about how I wasn't dead yet and asking her how she was doing. Ha.. You shoulda' heard her.Live Short & Suffer
38. •  
      CommentAuthorvenomfangx
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     
    Archduke
    I thought this forum was for intellectual discussion and not a self help course for those with psychiatric problems.
    VFXGénéralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
39. •  
      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     
    If you want it to be intellectual, VFX, you have to guide and steer the conversation in that direction. It doesn't work to just slap people on their hand.
    
    

    Posted By: venomfangxI thought this forum was for intellectual discussion and not a self help course for those with psychiatric problems.
    VFX

    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
40. •  
      CommentAuthorProletariatTreeHuger
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     
    It can be both, VFX. People like to chat so calm down.
41. •  
      CommentAuthorAddler
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     
    Why does death scare everyone so much? I dont get it. I really dont. Sure, I'd rather be alive, but what is scary about oblivion?Jesus has risen, It's no surprise. Even he would martyr his momma to ride to hell between those thighs.
42. •  
      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     
    FIRE & BRIMSTONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(LOL)(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthornitrofevr
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     

    Posted By: AddlerWhy does death scare everyone so much? I dont get it. I really dont. Sure, I'd rather be alive, but what is scary about oblivion?

    
    
    It is hard for people to contemplate non-existence. "Nothing" is hard to imagine. Most people go to extreme lengths, even as much as hallucinating or projecting false truths on both the explained and unexplained, in order to deal with nothing. This shows some extremes."So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.” - Lawrence krauss
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      CommentAuthorsimplyviennaaa
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     

    Posted By: AddlerWhy does death scare everyone so much? I dont get it. I really dont. Sure, I'd rather be alive, but what is scary about oblivion?

    
    It's just the idea of becoming nothing, perhaps or just the unknown of what happens after. At least that is for me."When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
45. • CommentAuthorFerdinand
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2010

     
    I used to be a lot more disturbed by the infinite as a child, to be honest. Forever is too much, right? How can heaven be pleasant if it's forever? Wouldn't I get bored? How can you always be happy? And then I went through so much of my life where, I didn't want to die, but openly admitted that if were to die, I'd be content. I didn't care if I woke up the next day or not. Whatever.
    
    And now, just now, from reading this thread, I can finally feel what the fuss is about. I do care whether or not I die. And what is a little disturbing is the thought that I wouldn't exist anymore. I know, I wouldn't be able to feel that nonexistence or be conscious of it, but it still is a little disturbing. Our lives and perceptions revolve around ourselves. When you take yourself out of the equation... it's hard to imagine. I don't know, it used to be so easy for me. Now I just keep thinking: I wouldn't exist, I wouldn't exist.
    
    Bah, that's why I think reincarnation is the most pleasant idea of all the afterlives. Heaven and hell seem like they would lose their effectiveness in eternity. Ceasing to exist isn't really a fun option. But waking up a different person, that's nice. Life is nice.

    I concur: Fearmonger, simplyviennaaa

    Standing in the sun with my heart in my hand