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    Check this link out.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re/us_rel_home_school_evolution

    I still don't get it. Why do they (christians) feel the need to lie in text books? THIS SHIT PISSES ME OFF. WHAT THE FUCK.There is no morality when one's motives are driven by reward and punishment.
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    The Christians aren't lieing in the text books. The corporate people are taking advantage of that market, and the Christians just seem to be eating it up.

    And it pisses me off too.

    However, I loved the comments saying that germs and gravity are only theories too.Canto Ergo Sum
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      CommentAuthorZolarKeth
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    The only reason a person would homeschool their child is because they:

    A) Molest their child
    B) Are a radically Christian dirtbag hoping to brainwash their child into believing in sky fairies
    C) SCHOOLS IS TRYINZ TO KILLS MAH KIDDEHS!

    Normally, A and B go together.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.
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      CommentAuthorAkuta
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    Posted By: ZolarKethThe only reason a person would homeschool their child is because they:

    A) Molest their child
    B) Are a radically Christian dirtbag hoping to brainwash their child into believing in sky fairies
    C) SCHOOLS IS TRYINZ TO KILLS MAH KIDDEHS!

    Normally, A and B go together.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.

    I grew up two houses down from a kid (who was like my little brother growing up) who was home schooled by his mother. She chose to do it because she didn't want the negative social aspects of the current public school system (at the time) to negatively influence her child. I think you may want to add a "D) Because they honestly think that they can teach their children in a safer environment than is provided by the public school system." to the list. Not that I agree with the choice, but that is often why the choice is made from my experience (he wasn't the only home schooled child that I knew growing up).
    I concur: breezyspreezy, PoemOf4Letters
    Death is life's way of telling you that you've been fired.
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Add E) Because the kids has mental health or health problems that make it easier for the kid to be home-schooled.

    And yes, this is sick.
    I concur: breezyspreezy, Akuta
    The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
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    to the added option.

    i still have to watch the video.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    oops, i mean read the article!!!

    it sucks that people want to force their creationist beliefs on others. mainly when they say you will not enter heaven or have a good life if you don't have the exact same mind-set as everyone else who has that mind-set. especially considering that the very book they base their belief in creation on does not state anywhere you have to be a creationist to go to heaven. my 2 cents.    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorStevo
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    son of a.......Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
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    Ugh. Horrible. This pisses me off too. Even though I'm an atheist and wouldn't teach my kid bullshit like creation, I would NEVER homeschool a child (unless for option E up there)."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that the 'social concerns' parents have to motivate them into home-schooling their children involve the ethnic content of US public schools? I'm probably wrong, but I'm sure the "Bob Jones" mentioned in that article also has his name on a University in America that started up a shitstorm because the government demanded they let blacks in...

    That young fellow mentioned at the end of the article - he'll have a real hard fucking time in academia if he doesn't cite evolution in his papers. His fellow marine biologists won't look kindly on "God did it" for an explanation of anatomical features of the animals he studies.

    I also have my doubts that the average parent could be able to educate their child very well, but then maybe most who do it (and are secular) are well above average? Ah, what do I care? I don't plan to have kids, and I'm not going to tell my relatives how to raise theirs, so it's none of my concern!"When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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    Option F) Because you are a multi billionaire and live on a yacht that is constantly sailing around the world and there are no schools within 200 nautical miles :)

    I think they should be required to print warning messages on text books like that..."Warning. Reading this text book will seriously damage your intellectual well being!!!!"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that, by the process of elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy...
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      CommentAuthorF i L
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2010 edited
     
    Homeschooling your kids full-time should be illegal. Half-time, sure; but half of their education should come from the collective human knowledge bank, and they deserve a chance to discuss ideas with their peers at a young age. 1.5 million kids in this country being force fed creationism is a threat to the peace and success of our future population.

    I was home schooled from 7th to 9th grade. Honestly i believe homeschooling accelerates kids education in certain areas, because it can be focused and fine-tuned to a specific child. But this is just ridiculous.
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    Well, a lot of kids do online stuff and community homeschooling things. I have a friend who was homeschool seventh grade up. Because of what type of kid she was and how her parents schooled her, I think she was better prepared for college. Mainly, what she learned is to teach herself. She's good at research and stuff.Canto Ergo Sum
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    Posted By: Arethusa BransomeBecause of what type of kid she was and how her parents schooled her, I think she was better prepared for college.

    She may have been better prepared for college, but I think the problem with most homeschooled kids (I mean, if they aren't homeschooled in a group) is that they aren't as used to learning with peers."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    Posted By: demented cookiesShe may have been better prepared for college, but I think the problem with most homeschooled kids (I mean, if they aren't homeschooled in a group) is that they aren't as used to learning with peers.


    This point is PERFECTLY illustrated in "Jesus Camp". One of the protagonists says of himself that he is "shy" and "isn't used to talking with other kids", etc. (I actually think that all of them say this but I just remember that one.) Guess what: They're all home-schooled. And I don't know if they're frequently studying with other kids, but what do I care.

    Like FiL, I think it has its ups and downs, just like school itself. (Studying to become a teacher gives you some very interesting insights into that subject.)The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
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    Like I said, she did a lot of community things with other homeschoolers in the area. Plus she lived in a big apartment complex with a lot of other kids being around all of the time.Canto Ergo Sum
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    Posted By: Arethusa BransomeLike I said, she did a lot of community things with other homeschoolers in the area. Plus she lived in a big apartment complex with a lot of other kids being around all of the time.

    Yeah, that's cool then <--it may sound like it, but no sarcmark ;). Unfortunately, many homeschoolers aren't that lucky."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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    This was in today's paper. A write in letter.
    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_14648113
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      CommentAuthorStevo
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
     
    eugh, sickening.Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
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    i don't see the problem. every one has the right to say whatever they want to say, one way or the other, whether it be truth or lie(i'm staying out of it, for the sake of freedom of speech). for example the statement "breezyspreezy almost always makes her letters pink or purple, except when emphasizing something specifically, using blue, green or red." is a true statement. but it is in anyone's right to say "breezyspreezy almost always makes her letters white or grey, except when emphasizing something specifically, using yellow, brown or orange.". the issue in my mind is that whoever is being told these two different things only has the power to know which one is true if faced with my actual typing and also with the knowledge of what the all the colours look like. therefore, show your children all sides of the spectrum, teach them how to balance and weigh thoughts and opinions(and also common knowledge). they can learn to think for themselves while being home-schooled, there is merely a greater responsiblity on the parent's part to be fair in all teaching.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    i want to add to that: if you teach your child that it's not okay to speak their mind, regardless of atheism or theism your doing them a great injustice.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    That is true, breezy, but I think the woman who wrote the letter was either lying or is delusional (I mean, beyond believing in an invisible man in the sky): she said if a kid challenges evolution at school they get bullied. That's not necessarily true. I've met many classmates who have challenged evolution and their beliefs are respected (in other words, not ridiculed to their faces). In fact, if I or some of my non-creationist friends challenge creationism, we sometimes get comments from creationists about how OUR beliefs are ridiculous. It can go both ways. The woman who wrote the letter is trying to sound victimized."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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    Yeah, at my school it's really rare for people to believe in evolution. At least, for freshman to believe. I'm hoping the older kids do though. . .They all say, "Do I look like a monkey?" I always answer yes and give as many examples as possible. They interrupt me and laugh.Canto Ergo Sum
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    woa, wait Arethusa, when half the english class was freaking out over religion, I could have sworn there were at least two or thee girls who said outright that they believed in evolution, and a couple guys who said they did believe in evolution. and it's not like we asked the whole class either. We can't really extrapolate too much on that ratio, but it surprised me a lot.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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    In that class- but I've been talking about this more than that. I talked about this in English class (with you), speech, health, and with friends. I guess rare may be a bit much, but more than two thirds of the people I've talked to outright said they thought evolution was stupid. Or they did the stupid- micro not macro crap.Canto Ergo Sum
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    Yeah, I believe you. before that I'd say any more than 5% would shock me, but after that it looks like it could be around that number or a little more...She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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    Posted By: ZolarKethThe only reason a person would homeschool their child is because they:

    A) Molest their child
    B) Are a radically Christian dirtbag hoping to brainwash their child into believing in sky fairies
    C) SCHOOLS IS TRYINZ TO KILLS MAH KIDDEHS!

    Normally, A and B go together.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.


    I have a two-year old and a baby due in May, and I plan to home school them both. I am not a molester, I am an atheist, and I don't think the schools would kill my children. I simply think that with the quality of instruction around here (I live in Columbus, Ohio, where pretty much everyone agrees that our school system is very inadequate) isn't even close to what I could offer my children. Why send them to a school where they are going to be crowded into a classroom with 30+ students, paid very little individual attention, and probably wind up not getting the quality of instruction they could get at home? Should I do that because it's more socially acceptable than home schooling? I just want my kids to get the attention I feel they deserve, and not be distracted by all the crap I was distracted by when I was in school. However, I plan to combine home and public schooling; our state offers an online program that is still considered public schooling, it's just that all the work is done at home on a computer. That way, we're still kind of conforming to society's expectations, but I get to give my kids individual attention. They also have fieldtrips and social events for the students, so they still get to interact with their classmates.

    I am a strong believer in not doing things simply because it's the way everyone else does them. Just because everyone else thinks it's more acceptable to go to public schools does not mean it's better. Our school system is based on a centuries-old technique of mass teaching, and the methods of instruction are very limited (you read, maybe do a project, and then are tested over the material). So if I see a better method, I want to use it, even if it's not considered normal or traditional. I would've thought that with all of the non-traditional schools of thought on these boards, there would be more acceptance of an alternative method of schooling!
    I concur: breezyspreezy
    There is no good or bad, but thinking makes it so.
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2010
     
    Shawna: I don't have a clue about your educational system but I have to get this off my chest. I'm currently studying to become a teacher for kids aged 10-18. (History and Geography) You may be a great mother (I'm sure my mom is) but you can totally suck at teaching. (Like my mom does) Being a teacher is so different from being a parent. (And yes, I know the difference too, I've done a large part of the upbringing of my bros and sis's.)
    So while you have the time, look into pedagogic, didactic and obviously theme oriented stuff. (Last year maths and physics) It takes YEARS for a teacher to have a basic knowledge in only two subjects and you want to have it in all of them? Know that you will have to answer questions of your children and go beyond the stuff that is in the books.
    Are you ready to do that? Do you have enough help from outside to do that? (Sites, books, friends, etc.)
    If you can answer YES to ALL of the above questions, then go for it. It's the best thing you can do, in that case! If not, I encourage you to let them go to public school.The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
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    you know what they say about assume.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2010
     
    Why do people STILL reject evolution when we can see animals changing with our own eyes?meow
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: JeevesWhy do people STILL reject evolution when we can see animals changing with our own eyes?If God made everything, he must live in China!


    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, humans are stupid.

    You know, I often find myself sympathizing will comic book super villains who wish to destroy the world.
    I concur: Stevo
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    I live in Columbus, Ohio, where pretty much everyone agrees that our school system is very inadequate

    I used to live there! Well not in the city, but the student teachers would always blab about how it was awful teaching in the city, and like the high school juniors were having horrible trouble with stuff seventh graders were doing in my class easily. I'm not sure it's a ton worse than most city schools though. The thing with homeschooling though is socializing your children will be very difficult...She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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    I agree with the above posts. If you don't have sufficient knowledge in the subjects you need to teach your kids, at least hire a tutor or something. It's good you're planning to do an online thing so they can actually interact with peers and not grow up unsocial outcasts."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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    Posted By: InfernoShawna: I don't have a clue about your educational system but I have to get this off my chest. I'm currently studying to become a teacher for kids aged 10-18. (History and Geography) You may be a great mother (I'm sure my mom is) but you can totally suck at teaching. (Like my mom does) Being a teacher is so different from being a parent. (And yes, I know the difference too, I've done a large part of the upbringing of my bros and sis's.)
    So while you have the time, look into pedagogic, didactic and obviously theme oriented stuff. (Last year maths and physics) It takes YEARS for a teacher to have a basic knowledge in only two subjects and you want to have it in all of them? Know that you will have to answer questions of your children and go beyond the stuff that is in the books.
    Are you ready to do that? Do you have enough help from outside to do that? (Sites, books, friends, etc.)
    If you can answer YES to ALL of the above questions, then go for it. It's the best thing you can do, in that case! If not, I encourage you to let them go to public school.


    I completely agree with the idea behind your post. I do not think home-schooling is for everyone. Above all, it takes a ton of patience. I am the most patient person I know. I am also going to finish my Bachelor's in Sociology in December, which I've earned completely online. I then plan to get my Masters in Counseling sometime within the next few years. As I said in my post, I plan to use the public school system's online program for my children (and I plan to supplement it with some of my own lessons). If I were going to do the home-schooling thing all on my own, with no actual school resources, I would be much more worried about what to do and whether I could handle teaching it. But the thing is, I have learned everything that I will be teaching my kids. Actually, I have learned a ton more than that, since I'll have 4-6 years of college education under my belt by the time I start teaching them. Not only will I be familiar with what I'm teaching them, but I will also be familiar with the format, since I've completed my college education entirely online. When you say that I should know that I will have to go beyond what's in the books, that's actually a lot of the reason I want to home-school! I want to be able to add my own lessons and have them read more objective books than the ones that are required by the school system. I want to have them do activities that relate to the lessons, that they might not have the chance to do in a classroom.

    And as much as I've considered just letting go and letting them go to public school, I just can't do it. I completely feel like it is in their best interest to be taught by someone who can do an outstanding job at it and give them individual attention. I have heard tons and tons of stories about this school system. My husband's niece and nephews (ages 14, 12, and 8) go to a school a few blocks from our house, and I am amazed at the stuff I hear (teachers texting, cussing, calling the students stupid, kids bringing guns and knives, etc.). I feel like I would be taking the easy way out and sacrificing the quality of their education if I were to let them go to public school. I would love to send them to some of the schools I have looked up that use alternative teaching methods, but they are thousands of dollars per year, and that's just for preschool! So the best solution I can come up with is to teach them myself, since I'm willing and able.

    I definitely don't think home-schooling is for everyone, though. In fact, I think it takes a very unique person to home-school a child successfully. But I think I have the traits that I will need. If it turns out that I don't, I will consider my options.There is no good or bad, but thinking makes it so.
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2010
     
    In that case, your kids must be very proud to have you as a mother. Go for it!
    I concur: breezyspreezy
    The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
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    Posted By: MATTI've said it before, and I'll say it again, humans are stupid.


    No. There are quite intelligent fellas, and more than one would usually think. It's just an interesting phenomenon that the stupid people tend to be the really loud ones.

    Or to say in Russel-style: "The problem with the wise is they are so filled with doubts while the dull are so certain."
    I concur: MATT
    The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.

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