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      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2010
     
    I was talking with my nerdy friends about how awesome our country would be if marijuana were legal. Hemp paper: so much more better for the environment than regular paper. Hemp clothes? Same thing. I mean, didn't our founding fathers want our economy to be based on hemp?

    And so I ask you, fellow atheists,

    What are your views on marijuana? Do you think it should be legalized in the US?meow
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    Well to me Hemp and Marijuana are different matters when talking about growing. As Marijuana needs to be cultivated and nurtured to collect the sweet sweet THC into the leaves. Hemp doesn't require nearly as much work.

    Our nation did largely grow hemp at the beginning, and even mandated farmers to grow some of it, but that crumbled after the civil war. It just wasn't as lucrative of a business as cotton... I'm sure you can guess why. Who knows, it could be a flourishing crop for many farmers. I'm sure we will find a way to sneak illegal immigrant labor and share cropping into it to exploit it as much as possible. It's the American way.

    Marijuana on the other hand is already the top US cash crop. I suspect that's largely due to it's illegal status though. If it is legalized across the board, the bottom would probably drop out of the market. But we would be able to tax the hell out of it. An extra source of revenue for many states. Here in Utah the sales tax on cigarettes was just increased another dollar. We could be getting twice that sales tax income if marijuana was being sold. The states would love it.
    The problem is of course actually getting it legalized. Something that I doubt will ever happen in my lifetime, even if we go into a depression. It's just something American Citizens see as wrong.
    It would take an incredible lobby, a national interest group as large as the NRA, and billions of dollars of advertising and education on the merits of marijuana and hemp use.
    I don't see any market benefiting from it enough to step up to the plate to pay for that cause.
    Also, there is far too much negative publicity from political activists that are currently calling for marijuana legalization. Do you really think our congress will be convinced when Pamela Anderson walks in asking for marijuana to be legalized? They would tighten up regulations...
    I concur: Inferno
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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2010
     
    Baron
    legalize it, tax the shit out of it like alcohol, and i got some good shit now... so im happy. hemp like you said is good for the enviroment, and it would help our economy due to the tax revonue
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2010
     
    Hemp is good shit. You can't really smoke it, but it's extremely useful. I own a couple of items of hemp clothing, and they're the comfiest (and toughest pieces of cloth) things I own. I also read that hemp paper lasts centuries longer than the paper we use now, so that's another plus, and if producing it is better for the environment then all the better.

    I personally think Marijuana should be legalised. There are various studies that show that legalisation of a formerly prohibited substance is likely to decrease its abuse. And then, of course, there's the revenue argument, which is also perfectly sensible.

    On a related note, I didn't know until recently that useful hemp and smokable cannabis came from different plants."When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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    Posted By: EVLWNSThere are various studies that show that legalisation of a formerly prohibited substance is likely to decrease its abuse.

    That's very true. We've seen the research done from pornography, prostitutions, and marijuana from various European Countries. Not only abuse, but over all usage declined. I guess a big part of the desire to use comes from the rush of the taboo or illegality.



    Posted By: EVLWNSOn a related note, I didn't know until recently that useful hemp and smokable cannabis came from different plants.

    Yeah well it's still the cannibus plant. Just different varieties for different uses.
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    Wait is growing it for clothing illegal now?She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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    Well if your talking hemp, you're talking a whole different ball game. Hemp isn't as hard to cultivate or prepare to get a good quality product. Marijuana on the other hand takes a lot of work, trial and error, and distribution.

    Now it's pretty much given that marijuana is actually safer for you than cigarettes and alcohol, and surprisingly is the biggest cash crop in America. However, it may be the biggest because down south you pay about $40 an eighth (of an ounce) and up north where its mostly imported it runs up to $60 an eighth. I know this 'through a friend'.

    Now it was made illegal for racist reasons, as it was thought a black man would just go rape any white woman he saw while under its influence. Not to say you can't have a bit of mind altering affect, I just don't think it instantly equates to rape, rape, and more rape.

    Now, for it being illegal, that's just been well a tradition. It's been illegal so long there should be no reason to make it legal is how the government views it. Honestly there is no other way to justify it. You could tax it, regulate it, and reduce the amount spent in enforcing laws. There isn't a heap of negatives for its legalization. But they would have to admit they were wrong, and good luck on getting them to admit that.
    It's not for health, as we know alcohol and tobacco are worse for you. And if you are worried about the smoke, use a vaporizer it is much healthier.

    So my bottom line is, legalize it. We reduce a lot of the illegal trade going on. We give something else for the farmers to grow, we create jobs for processing, taxes, and maybe even sell licenses so people who want to deal can also be regulated. Like a liquor license but for small business. However, I don't feel I will see this happening anytime soon.
    I concur: superchang847
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2010 edited
     
    Ah, marijuana, legalize it and tax it. It can't be much worse than alcohol and cigarettes are anyway.
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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2010 edited
     
    Baron
    you need a female plant to have THC in it... they use male plants to grow hemp, male plants are legal due to the lack of THC.

    and in a study done a few years ago, it was shown that pot is less bad for you then alcohol
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      CommentAuthorDiabeetus
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
     
    Uh, Godless? How do you know the gender of a PLANT? Do you check under the roots or something?

    But seriously, Marajuana on its own is fine, aside from the tar. What worries me is when guys lace the stuff with heroin and other stuff.
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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
     
    Baron
    male plants produce pollon... female plants dont and need to be pollonated
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    Posted By: DiabeetusUh, Godless? How do you know the gender of a PLANT? Do you check under the roots or something?

    But seriously, Marajuana on its own is fine, aside from the tar. What worries me is when guys lace the stuff with heroin and other stuff.


    Marijuana doesn't need to produce tar. There are other ways of consuming it that don't harm the lungs.
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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
     
    Baron
    such as a water bong, or a pipe with a tar filter
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
     
    or edibles. or a vaporizer. Those are the safest ways."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    @diabeetus

    i've never heard of it being laced with heroin, i don't even know if that's possible!!! why? why would anyone do that???!!!!! it's possible for it to be laced with coke, i had that happen twice when i was a teen. my stomach gets queezy just thinking about it again. they are easy to lace with acid, too, since it's fluid and all.

    hemp clothing is probably the most environmentally friendly clothing existing. in this day and age it's STILL controversial, even here in holland. my kid has a hemp jacket, it has a weed plant on the back by the neck. when he wears it i get funny looks from people. maybe i wouldn't be paranoid about it if i had never smoked the stuff it's made out of!!! anyway, it's areally nice warm jacket(a body-warmer), i wish i had one for myself! oh, and it's soft!
    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    Baron
    a dealer would do that to make you crave more, get you addicted to the heroin or coke or somthing in it so you come back begging for more and he can sell it to you at a rediculous price because you think you need it
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    uh, yeah! what is anyone doing buying their weed from a dealer? what's a dealer? just buy it from the guy behind the counter at a coffeeshop. oh, I SEE!!!!! i forget you guys are in the states sometimes, or maybe i forget where i live! anyway, taking that into account, probably you should legalise or at least decriminalise it. it would make it all alot safer. the coke-lacing back when was friends who thought they were being funny or something. a popular amsterdam tourist t-shirt has a "picture" of an alien with a joint in it's mouth saying "take me to your dealer.". thought i'd add a bit of culture to my post.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorZolarKeth
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    Personally, I'd be fine if they legalized it, but I wouldn't ever smoke it. Or whatever else you do with it. I'm not a druggie.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.
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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    Baron
    nor am i... but i still like to blaze, thats the only drug thing i do, i dont even smoke cigs or drink.
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    Posted By: ZolarKethPersonally, I'd be fine if they legalized it, but I wouldn't ever smoke it. Or whatever else you do with it. I'm not a druggie.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.


    Better not ever take aspirin or Vicodin. You aint a druggy!
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    I try not to take anything, seriously, unless I'm in a ton of pain. Even Motrin. I don't know, it's actually kinda illogical, but the thought bothers me for some reason.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthorZolarKeth
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHuger
    Posted By: ZolarKethPersonally, I'd be fine if they legalized it, but I wouldn't ever smoke it. Or whatever else you do with it. I'm not a druggie.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.

    Better not ever take aspirin or Vicodin. You aint a druggy!

    Only drugs that can help me, I will take. I don't need drugs to feel good.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHuger
    Posted By: ZolarKethPersonally, I'd be fine if they legalized it, but I wouldn't ever smoke it. Or whatever else you do with it. I'm not a druggie.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.


    Better not ever take aspirin or Vicodin. You aint a druggy!


    You know what he means, he doesn't take useless drugs. Or rather, useless other than for the high.

    You aren't one of those hateful people who make arguments like that are you? Guhr.
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    not hateful, just critical, which is no sin in my mind.:)(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    I know, I just feel like when people say things like that, they're trying to point out hypocrisy that isn't there.
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    that's like proletariattreehugger's job on here to point that out, i wouldn't agree that it's not there. i would tend to say that it's always there and that critical people are usually most critical of themselves, iow pointing out hypocrisy in themselves to themselves, in most cases extreme perfectionist who are very nervy. the best fight against criticism is openness and acceptance. how much water does it take to put out a fire?:)(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010 edited
     
    My biggest issue is that I figured PTH would have realised that Druggie has a very specific definition, and that saynig something like "I am not a druggie, but I take vicodin for pain management" isn't hypocritical if you know what the words mean. 'Druggies' take illicit drugs or abuse perscription drugs, which is generally pointless beyond killing brain cells and getting high. Medication actually has a purpose.

    If there was any hypocrisy to point out then I'd have no problem.
    I concur: PoemOf4Letters
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    Posted By: MATTMy biggest issue is that I figured PTH would have realised that Druggie has a very specific definition,

    Yes but that's not how he used the word druggie, is it? He said he isn't a druggie as a blanket statement against using marijuana. Not against abusing it.
    That's what I was pointing out. He equates using a drug for no real benefit except feeling good as being a druggie (at least that's how the statement read). When if you follow the road of that logic you would never take something like aspirin. Yes, I exaggerated a bit with Vicodin. It is usually used for severe crippling pain that would hinder a person's productivity if not relieved. But using something because it feels good is a very natural human tendency. I see no reason not to use something like marijuana if it makes you feel good and it doesn't hurt others.

    Posted By: MATTIf there was any hypocrisy to point out then I'd have no problem.

    The problem was equating marijuana users with druggies. So while he found no problem with it being legalized, he judged those that would consume it as druggies.
    I concur: superchang847, norml
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    Actually I don't think everyone who uses weed even recreationally is a druggie, just like not everyone who drink a glass of wine occasionally is an alcoholic.


    I'd just perfer to do either.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHuger
    Posted By: MATTMy biggest issue is that I figured PTH would have realised that Druggie has a very specific definition,

    Yes but that's not how he used the word druggie, is it? He said he isn't a druggie as a blanket statement against using marijuana. Not against abusing it.
    That's what I was pointing out. He equates using a drug for no real benefit except feeling good as being a druggie (at least that's how the statement read). When if you follow the road of that logic you would never take something like aspirin. Yes, I exaggerated a bit with Vicodin. It is usually used for severe crippling pain that would hinder a person's productivity if not relieved. But using something because it feels good is a very natural human tendency. I see no reason not to use something like marijuana if it makes you feel good and it doesn't hurt others.

    Posted By: MATTIf there was any hypocrisy to point out then I'd have no problem.

    The problem was equating marijuana users with druggies. So while he found no problem with it being legalized, he judged those that would consume it as druggies.
    I concur:superchang847


    The reason marajuana users are druggies is because marajuana is a pointless illicit drug, using it at all is abuse, the way I see it, same with alcohol and cigarettes in m opinion. But I'm not the other guy, soI don't know what he might have been thinking.
    I concur: ZolarKeth
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      CommentAuthorZolarKeth
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    I concur with the above.I am immortal. Killing me would simply make you an idiot.
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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010 edited
     
    Baron
    suit yourself matt... more for me
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    Posted By: MATTThe reason marajuana users are druggies is because marajuana is a pointless illicit drug

    So marijuana consumers are druggies because
    1. It's illegal (illicit)
    2. It's pointless

    How much of our world do you think isn't pointless? How about cookies? They don't serve any real nutritional value, so they shouldn't be eaten right? Video Games? TV? Marijuana is called a recreational drug because of it's value of enjoyment. Just like other forms of entertainment I'm sure you enjoy that serve no real value. So what's really the difference? That one is permitted by law and the other isn't? Ignoring the fact that it isn't illegal in all nations, why are you permitting antiquated racism and christian values (which is why it's illegal here in the US) to dictate your ideas of what is right and what isn't?
    I concur: norml, Jeeves
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      CommentAuthorF i L
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010 edited
     
    Gotta concur to what PTH is saying.

    Mj is for fun, and like many things you can do it to much. One slippery slope with drugs however is that fact that you can be high while performing other actions... and that may lead you to believe you can be productive while high( which is most often not the case ). That's why Mj isn't near as "bad" a drug as uppers, or even ice, cause those will make you more productive for a time

    I'm high right now actually.

    [EDIT] I wounder if my telling y'all i'm high is a subconscious attempt to attach mystery and rebelliousness (things i associate with masculinity) to my internet persona.... guess the first step is admitting you have a problem ;-)
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    Watch ya on FIL? Welcome back, btw :)She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHuger
    Posted By: MATTThe reason marajuana users are druggies is because marajuana is a pointless illicit drug

    So marijuana consumers are druggies because
    1. It's illegal (illicit)
    2. It's pointless

    How much of our world do you think isn't pointless? How about cookies? They don't serve any real nutritional value, so they shouldn't be eaten right? Video Games? TV? Marijuana is called a recreational drug because of it's value of enjoyment. Just like other forms of entertainment I'm sure you enjoy that serve no real value. So what's really the difference? That one is permitted by law and the other isn't? Ignoring the fact that it isn't illegal in all nations, why are you permitting antiquated racism and christian values (which is why it's illegal here in the US) to dictate your ideas of what is right and what isn't?


    Okay, fair enough. Alot of things are pointless. Abusive cookie consumption would be just as bad as abuse of any drug to some extent.

    I might need a little explaining about the racism.

    I don't think anything is right or wrong, that's subjective, I try to never even think of things like that, I have opinions, but they aren't right, and yours aren't wrong if they conflict with mine. I personally don't give a crap if someone wants to do pointless things, nothing has a point to it, but given certain universal human motives, it seems logical to me to leave out pointless things like drugs that only serve to produce pleasure through causing brain damage. And I don't have a problem with cookies because they taste good without fucking with your brain, or some common venues of entertainment because they do little more than let you relax and unwind at the end of the day.

    The fact of the matter is that right now, pot is illegal and using it isn't worth the risk in my opinion.

    I'm not against drugs, I was just saying that you can take perscription drugs and not be a druggie. My whole point was that a druggie is someone who takes drugs for recreation and not medical purposes, and that you can take perscription drugs, and not be a druggie. How the fuck did we get on this crap?
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    PTH pretty much nails it here. It is not appropriate to label all marijuana users as druggies because the word "druggy" carries the connotations of addiction, dependence, and uselessness. While these may be true for a portion of the smoking population, they're not true for all of us. Not all recreational smokers are addicted, dependent, or useless, and to imply otherwise (or to imply that any use is abuse) is tragically ignorant and closed-minded. Sure, it's bad for one's health, but are we to label everyone who partakes in health-deterring activities as some sort of junkie? I should hope not. It's like saying only alcoholics drink, only idiots take risks, and only anorexic people go on diets."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: normlPTH pretty much nails it here. It is not appropriate to label all marijuana users as druggies because the word "druggy" carries the connotations of addiction, dependence, and uselessness. While these may be true for a portion of the smoking population, they're not true for all of us. Not all recreational smokers are addicted, dependent, or useless, and to imply otherwise (or to imply that any use is abuse) is tragically ignorant and closed-minded. Sure, it's bad for one's health, but are we to label everyone who partakes in health-deterring activities as some sort of junkie? I should hope not. It's like saying only alcoholics drink, only idiots take risks, and only anorexic people go on diets."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell


    I disagree, the words addict, useless, and dependant carry conotations of addiction, uselessness, and dependance. The word druggie carries connotations of taking drugs for the purpose of recreation.

    In my opinion at least, the word druggie has never meant anthing like what you said in my mind, but then again I generally disassociate thing like that and think of things very literally.
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    Exactly what I was saying, totally agree with you norml :) I know several people who some a joint occasionally, but I wouldn't call then druggies. You're not a druggie unless it interferes with your life.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    I was operating under a different definition, if you guys want to expand the meaning of druggie to something like that then what you say is right. But having such huge umbrella definitions seems like an inefficient way of coneying thought.
    At least for for someone like me, who likes thought to be legalese literal.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Words invoke ripples of thought based on the individual's experience, so of course such abstract concepts as "druggie status" and "addiction" are going to mean slightly different things to different people, but I feel that my definition of druggie, with its heavy connotations, is the one shared by most people. I am glad, however, that our disagreement is in the definition of words, and not in principle.
    I concur: MATT
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorAddler
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    i've got fifty dollars worth of sour diesel sitting in an altoids case in my closet. LEGALIZE WEED!!!!! ..... i rest my case.Jesus has risen, It's no surprise. Even he would martyr his momma to ride to hell between those thighs.
    • CommentAuthorbeebobox
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    the use of drugs, no matter what effect it has on the person using them, should be decriminalized.
    and some drugs even legalized.


    a) people use drugs
    b) drugs being illegal hasn't stopped that
    c) as long as the usage of drugs only effects the person in question or some one willing to be effected by the drugged up persons' action, there is no reason to have usage or possession of those drugs illegal
    d) usage of drugs should be included in other aspects of our legal system, no driving under the influence etc.

    something being pointless isn't a crime
    someone addicted to something isn't committing a crime

    so those arguments are pointless when it comes to the legal status of drugs

    drugs that make you violent, if there is such a drug, should be an illegal substance, because then, using the drug is likely to effect others who are not willing participants
    but said drug has to be proven to be just that, an inducer of violence in a large percentage of people, a few very rare cases isn't reason enough to ban something, some people go batshit bananas when they get cut off in traffic, have their spouse cheat on them, get refused a loan at the bank, drink too much cool-aid, that's not reason enough to ban those activities.

    scientific proof via double blind studies and peer reviewed and checked, or it didn't happen.


    something being bad for you isn't reason enough to bad something either, no matter how bad for you it is, if people want to do stupid shit that risks their existence, that's their choice.

    i feel in no way justified in preventing another person doing anything that only effects him or someone who's a willing participant in his activities (or the direct outcome of said activity).

    if i want to spend my saturdays jumping down flights of stairs wearing only a jockstrap and a helmet, often breaking bones and spraining various parts of my body, that's my choice, and if i am of sound mind and not someone suffering from a mental illness, i should be allowed to do this for as long as i want as long as i dont hurt anyone else.

    the use of force, be it in the form of physical force, restrains or bans needs to be justified beyond a shadow of a doubt to be implemented, it's never on the recipient to justify his actions as ok, to prevent the state or other people from using force against him.At last I've found the secret, that guarantees success, to err and err and err and err, but less and less and less.
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    What's sour diesel?She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthorAddler
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersWhat's sour diesel?Every time Paris Hilton chips a nail, more pain is released into this world than when a child in Africa goes a day without food.

    .... it's good weed.Jesus has risen, It's no surprise. Even he would martyr his momma to ride to hell between those thighs.
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    okay :) be safe.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthorAddler
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    it's not dangerous. unless you set yourself on fire, but i've done that before and it wasn't really that bad.Jesus has risen, It's no surprise. Even he would martyr his momma to ride to hell between those thighs.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    My best friend and I quit weed together, and now if I start up again she'll be devastated. So it looks like I'm stuck being a quitter. Oh well, inbd. Just wish I could have had a taste of that sour diesel before I quit..."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    Posted By: Addlerit's not dangerous. unless you set yourself on fire, but i've done that before and it wasn't really that bad.I respect the idea of God too much to hold him responsible for such an absurd world.


    Sigh. you sound like half my friends....She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthorAddler
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    Posted By: normlMy best friend and I quit weed together, and now if I start up again she'll be devastated. So it looks like I'm stuck being a quitter. Oh well, inbd. Just wish I could have had a taste of that sour diesel before I quit...

    Well good job quitting. I would if I saw any reason to. I've been smoking more weed this quarter than i did last quarter and my grades actually went up.

    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersSigh. you sound like half my friends....

    Well I actually didn't set myself on fire while smoking weed. I was at my metal sculpture class and I was turning on the arc welder and a spark from the welder hit a paper dixie cup that set on fire. The cup was right next to the tubes from the oxygen tanks, and if those lit then the whole place would explode, so I slapped the cup out of the way, and in the process set my arm on fire. i had third degree burns for about a week and then i could take the bandages off. really not that bad.Jesus has risen, It's no surprise. Even he would martyr his momma to ride to hell between those thighs.

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