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Mashing: The Only Good Thing To Come From Christianity

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      CommentAuthorDiabeetus
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    I didn't realize it at first.

    Kansas is a Christian Rock Band. Apparently their lyrics have religious meanings or something. I never got it.

    Also, I am colossally dumb for not noticing it.

    Anyway, talk about the most badass Christians ever here.
    I concur: Atheos
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    Hmmm, most badass Christian I can think of at the moment is Richard the Lionheart. A man who charges up a beach while armoured like a motherfucker and hefting a shield and sword before tearing into his enemy, leading his troops from the front to liberate a city and then an entire region - largely by scaring the shit out of an entire army by charging them on horseback - has to be considered pretty badass."When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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    alice cooper and moi.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    Posted By: EVLWNSHmmm, most badass Christian I can think of at the moment is Richard the Lionheart. A man who charges up a beach while armoured like a motherfucker and hefting a shield and sword before tearing into his enemy, leading his troops from the front to liberate a city and then an entire region - largely by scaring the shit out of an entire army by charging them on horseback - has to be considered pretty badass.

    Damn...has this been a movie yet?It's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010 edited
     
    I don't think so. Probably because he was both the King of England and French - and as I understand it neither of those things would be very popular to American audiences.

    EDIT: Oh yeah, and the land he conquered was the land of Palestine, so that's a bit too touchy, especially with the bigwigs of Hollywood."When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010
     
    Ah, maybe in a few years? I'm all for kick-ass movies loosely based off of history.It's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010
     
    This reminds me, I've always want to learn Carry on My Warward Son on bass.
    I'm gonna go do that.
    Ass-kick.
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    Seriously?? Kansas is a Christian rock band??? I never knew... Maybe it's just because I don't listen closely to their lyrics. I still think they're awesome though."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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    I love Evanescence, and some of their older songs are really Christian. i also like Skillet.

    Christian rock doesn't bother me unless they specifically say Jesus - if they say "you", I can interpret it to my liking.There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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    I like bluegrass music (don't laugh at me...) and a lot of that stuff is really religious. About half the bluegrass songs in existence are about the Christian God one way or another. But it doesn't bother me. It's like if someone wrote a song about the Lord of the Rings or Narnia. It's fantasy, and some of it really is enjoyable."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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    My favorite bluegrass song - and a few others. XDThere cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
    • CommentAuthorJakeNorris
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2010
     
    Posted By: EVLWNSI don't think so. Probably because he was both the King of England and French - and as I understand it neither of those things would be very popular to American audiences.

    EDIT: Oh yeah, and the land he conquered was the land of Palestine, so that's a bit too touchy, especially with the bigwigs of Hollywood.


    Don't forget him allowing the Jews to be massacred throughout London. But like you said, he's French. What would a frog care what happens to a Pom?Shinkies.
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    beautiful poetry, stories about overcoming poverty, stories about love, stories about overcoming weakness, stories about good overcoming evil. and tons to let your imagination run wild at the end of the book.:)(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    Posted By: breezyspreezybeautiful poetry, stories about overcoming poverty, stories about love, stories about overcoming weakness, stories about good overcoming evil. and tons to let your imagination run wild at the end of the book.:)sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted


    Don't you mean stories and morals about rape, murder, genocide, slavery, human rights violations, and omnipotent douchebaggery?
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeMar 1st 2010
     
    Posted By: EVLWNSProbably because he was both the King of England and French


    I'm way late for this but: Wrong. He was the King of the English only. He was count of some French regions for some times (war waging between the two countries) but never their King. Phillip II was the French King at that time.The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 1st 2010
     
    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHuger
    Posted By: breezyspreezybeautiful poetry, stories about overcoming poverty, stories about love, stories about overcoming weakness, stories about good overcoming evil. and tons to let your imagination run wild at the end of the book.:)sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted


    Don't you mean stories and morals about rape, murder, genocide, slavery, human rights violations, and omnipotent douchebaggery?


    I'd put it somewhere between those two personally.
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    Fair enough, but it's not something I'd read to my kids. They'd probably watch the movie Saw before reading the bible. Much less violent.
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeMar 1st 2010
     
    Posted By: Inferno
    Posted By: EVLWNSProbably because he was both the King of England and French


    I'm way late for this but: Wrong. He was the King of the English only. He was count of some French regions for some times (war waging between the two countries) but never their King. Phillip II was the French King at that time.


    You misunderstand my grammar, my dear Germanic friend. I wrote that he was King of England (even though he supposedly disliked England and the English) and that he was a Frenchman (ie. "... he was ... French."). If I'd intended to state that he was King of England and France, then I would have written that."When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeMar 1st 2010
     
    What's so great about Kansas? Just because 2 of their songs songs are above average doesn't make them amazing!meow
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010 edited
     
    Fair enough, my bad.

    EDIT: Seems like you were wrong on him being French too. I'm pretty sure he was born in England, so how would that make him French? True, he spent a lot of time in France and apparently spoke little English, but still... (However, I'm not 100% sure he was born in England, since the sources seem to vary.) Care to provide me with a quote? CheersThe Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010 edited
     
    He was the great-great-grandson of William the Conquerer (aka. William the Bastard), a Frenchman whose progeny became the rulers of England (see "1066 and all that"). He was the son of the French, he spoke French, engaged in French culture, and lived in France rather than his kingdom. He was undisputably French, and I'm guessing that he would have felt himself French before he considered himself genuinely English.
    I concur: Inferno
    "When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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      CommentAuthorStevo
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010
     
    i dont listen to music really.
    i use it for the ambient feel.

    i almost never listen closely to lyrics, but sometimes i sing along, and even then i dont think about the meaning. like some AFI songs.Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010
     
    Posted By: EVLWNSHe was the great-great-grandson of William the Conquerer (aka. William the Bastard), a Frenchman whose progeny became the rulers of England (see "1066 and all that"). He was the son of the French, he spoke French, engaged in French culture, and lived in France rather than his kingdom. He was undisputably French, and I'm guessing that he would have felt himself French before he considered himself genuinely English.
    I concur:Inferno


    Goddamn concur button. I dis-concur.
    If I am born in Austrian and I am raised in China and I adopt Chinese culture and speak Chinese, that does not make me Chinese. It makes me an Austrian who lives in China and likes China and its culture and language and women and whatnot.
    On his parents: Henry II of England was born in an English held province of France. He was born on English land.
    With his mother, I'm not sure. I would probably agree that she was born on French territory. So his parents were half-half and he was born in England. Now I'm not 100% sure, but in my eyes that makes him a pom.The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
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    Posted By: JeevesWhat's so great about Kansas? Just because 2 of their songs songs are above average doesn't make them amazing!If God made everything, he must live in China!

    That's a matter of opinion. You have said some black metal bands are amazing, when in someone else's opinion it may just be loud noise."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010
     
    I like Kansas, yo, I think all of their songs are above average.
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010 edited
     
    Being born in a country does not automatically make you of that country. I mean, Richard didn't even live in England! He shared nothing in common with either the native Celts of England or even immigrant Anglo-Saxons. He had almost no common ancestry with them, as almost all of his ancestors had recently come from France. He shared no culture, no language, nothing with them. To continue (and correct) your metaphor, say you were born in Austria, but of almost entirely ethnically "pure" Chinese parents, and you were raised without knowing any of the Austrian language, speaking only Chinese, and engaging only in Chinese culture and traditions, and then you went and lived in China, holding Austria in contempt (as Richard the Lionheart is reported to have held England). Are you still Austrian?

    I would argue that you aren't. But I don't think either of us will be moved on this, as it is a highly subjective argument."When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: EVLWNSBeing born in a country does not automatically make you of that country.


    That's as much as I read (tl;dr) but I agree with this, to be "of" something, the majority of the way you are has to be the product of the something in question, in my opinion. So Richie growing up in france would make him pretty much french by my standards.

    And whatnot.
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      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010
     
    Posted By: demented cookies
    Posted By: JeevesWhat's so great about Kansas? Just because 2 of their songs songs are above average doesn't make them amazing!If God made everything, he must live in China!

    That's a matter of opinion. You have said some black metal bands are amazing, when in someone else's opinion it may just be loud noise.


    Well, name 3 songs by Kansas that are good.meow
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    You mean besides "Carry On My Wayward Son" and "Dust in the Wind"? "Song for America", "Hold On", "The Pinnacle." And just for the record, "Point of No Return" and "The Wall." The list goes on. Again, it's a matter of opinion."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010
     
    Hmmm. What a coincidence, all the songs you named just HAPPEN to be on the "Greatest Hits" list.

    DC, you mentioned 7 good songs. Kansas has been together for what, 40 years???

    As an approximation, that's one good song every... 6 years??

    ?meow
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      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2010
     
    BTW. Nobody assume that I don't like progressive rock. I LOVE Genesis, Rush, and I guess Pink Floyd if we're considering them progressive and Dream Theater (If that counts).meow
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    Hey I think one good song makes a band a success.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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    Posted By: JeevesHmmm. What a coincidence, all the songs you named just HAPPEN to be on the "Greatest Hits" list.

    DC, you mentioned 7 good songs. Kansas has been together for what, 40 years???

    As an approximation, that's one good song every... 6 years??

    ?If God made everything, he must live in China!

    Um...Because that's the only album I have. And you asked me to name three. I gave you seven. That was a bonus. What, did you expect me to name ALL the good songs?"I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2010
     
    Arguing over opinions ftl.
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    @proletariattreehugger

    haha! you've skipped over alot of books(within the book you're talking about) if that's what you think is all it consists of. and nobody said anything about reading it to your children.    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    Posted By: breezyspreezy@proletariattreehugger

    haha! you've skipped over alot of books(within the book you're talking about) if that's what you think is all it consists of. and nobody said anything about reading it to your children.    sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted

    Ok, then would you allow me to read it to your children? Any section of my choosing.
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    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersHey I think one good song makes a band a success.


    And I rate albums :-) For example, Nelly Furtado has some good songs, but her albums are just full of fillers, it's a shame.The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.
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    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHugerOk, then would you allow me to read it to your children? Any section of my choosing.


    it depends, how old are they at the time? what is their EQ/IQ and would you be discussing the section with them afterwards? more importantly would IIIII be discussing it with them afterwards?    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorDiabeetus
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
     
    The reason why I like Kansas is because not only were the FULL of great songs (Hopelessly Human brings a tear to my eye every time), but also because they didn't put noticable Christian sentiments in their songs. It prevented them from losing a non-christian audience.
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    Posted By: breezyspreezyit depends, how old are they at the time? what is their EQ/IQ and would you be discussing the section with them afterwards? more importantly would IIIII be discussing it with them afterwards?

    If it's truly the good book, then what needs to be discussed? Assuming they are old enough to actually understand what's being said, language etc. They there is no need for you to "discuss" (spin) it afterwards.
    I would just read it to them, and let them make their own assessments. Why would you need to tell them how to think about certain passages?

    If you need to discuss everything after reading it, is it the book that's good or is it your own personal interpretation.
    • CommentAuthorAtheos
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    Kansas used to be secular, and the members used to be Atheist, but alas, all but one (who left the band) of their members slowly converted to Christianity.

    Its a damn shame too. Being secular means you can have Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, pagans, Atheist and just about all other damn religions. Being christian means other religions would rather not try to be converted and listen to something else, thus why their christian focused album did not succeed as well as their other albums.

    Of course, people do listen to music outside of their religious belief, but more atheists listen to secular music over christian music and so on...If we DO happen to be wrong, kick St. Peter in the nads and run through the pearly gates!
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    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHuger
    concurquote
    Posted By: breezyspreezyit depends, how old are they at the time? what is their EQ/IQ and would you be discussing the section with them afterwards? more importantly would IIIII be discussing it with them afterwards?

    If it's truly the good book, then what needs to be discussed? Assuming they are old enough to actually understand what's being said, language etc. They there is no need for you to "discuss" (spin) it afterwards.
    I would just read it to them, and let them make their own assessments. Why would you need to tell them how to think about certain passages?

    If you need to discuss everything after reading it, is it the book that's good or is it your own personal interpretation.


    i know. this is where you get mad at me for being a cherry-picker. i wouldn't let you read the bible to my kids UNLESS you put the passage in children's words and made it sensitive to their influencability and emotional maturity.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    Posted By: breezyspreezyi know. this is where you get mad at me for being a cherry-picker. i wouldn't let you read the bible to my kids UNLESS you put the passage in children's words and made it sensitive to their influencability and emotional maturity.


    That's all I wanted to know. You admit that you need to cherry pick to find the good in it.
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    i confess!!!!!!!!!:)(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    Posted By: breezyspreezyi know. this is where you get mad at me for being a cherry-picker. i wouldn't let you read the bible to my kids UNLESS you put the passage in children's words and made it sensitive to their influencability and emotional maturity.


    So, how is one supposed to tell the story of the flood in children's words?The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.
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    is this a trick question?:)

    there was a time on the earth, when(much like today) people were selfish and couldn't do anything but hurt eachother.
    there was one man who didn't understand why people did this and wanted all people to love eachother rather than hurt eachother.
    so that is what he tried to teach his family. his name was noah.
    something inside noah tols him that it was going to rain, for a very, very long time. he was afraid that it might rain so hard he and his family might drown, so he built a huge boat.
    as he was thinking about his life while building the boat, he remembered how much joy the animals in the country brang to him and his family and thought that he would try to save some of them as well.
    so, once he built the boat, he and his family trecked out to collect all kinds of different animals, at least 2 of each one they would bring along.
    some animals were even brought in sevens.
    it started to rain and noah and his family got on their new boat.
    the water became so high there was no land in sight.
    after many days and nights had passed, noah began to get afraid again because it still hadn't cleared up and there was no land in sight.
    so he sent a dove that was on the boat out to fly, to see if it would stay away or come back.
    if it didn't come back, it had found food and land. then he would know that his family was safe.
    he sent the dove out three times and the third time, the dove didn't return.
    soon thereafter, the water dried up and noah and his family could put their feet in the green grass again.
    and a beautiful rainbow appeared in the sky.
    noah was relieved and felt deep within him that such a traumatic thing should never happen again.
    looking up at the rainbow, he felt a great peace of mind and memorised that rainbow sothat whenever he felt scared or confused, he would know that in the end he will be safe.    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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    What about the angry god doing this to his own people?Canto Ergo Sum
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    But mommy (breezy), didn't god make us all? Why did he make a mistake and make us bad?
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    The Baby Bible Storybook explains the Bible perfectly!! :D"I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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    Posted By: ProletariatTreeHuger
    concurquote
    But mommy (breezy), didn't god make us all? Why did he make a mistake and make us bad?


    that was a different time, honeybunny. when people were selfish or mean, there was no way for them to redeem themselves. when they started to do selfish things, they couldn't stop themselves and became more and more selfish. by being open to those same feelings that noah got when when he decided to build a boat, we are made free from that selfishness.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")

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