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      CommentAuthorgodless
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Baron
    so i wanted to know (i didnt take classes on the subconince yet) are dreams connected to the wants and needs of the dreamer? can vivid dreams that show a clear goal be taken literaly or should even thease be interperated?
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      CommentAuthorInferno
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Well according to Freud, almost every dream is in some mysterious way connected to your repressed sexuality. If you dream about the ocean, you want to "open your gates of lust", rivers, rain, etc. all the same. If you dream about a bird, you want to fly away from all this repression of sexuality. If you dream of Bananas... Yep, you got it.
    So that much for the wants and needs of the dreamer: Depending on who is analyzing your dream, you want different things. (Sex is always one of those things apparently!)

    Now to the second part: Dreams always need to be interpreted. Have you ever had a dream where you say to yourself: I want to live in Kansas. (Or whatever...) I surely haven't. I usually dream about random (mostly unrelated and fantastical) stuff.

    But now the the (IMO) most important stuff: Dreams are the way of the Brain to cope with stuff that happened to you. They can't tell you the future or anything, but they may be able to tell you your subconscious wants.The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
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      CommentAuthorAkuta
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Posted By: godlessso i wanted to know (i didnt take classes on the subconince yet) are dreams connected to the wants and needs of the dreamer? can vivid dreams that show a clear goal be taken literaly or should even thease be interperated?

    I don't think that all aspects of dreams are connected to the wants or needs of the dreamer. If that were the case, there would be no need for nightmares.

    As for Inferno's reference to Freud: Freud was an amazing person; however, I think he focused a bit too much on relating everything to the person's latent sexuality. I think he had some repressed sexuality and that's why he felt the way he did (when it came to those things).

    While I'd agree that the dream state of sleep is the mechanism for the brain to cope with things that has happened to you during consciousness, I don't necessarily agree that it's "what your subconscious wants"... I think that much of what your subconsciousness "dreams" about are randomly generated... i.e. Ever notice how someone who can't stay on one topic jumps from topic to topic, but the new topic and old topic are actually linked somehow... but the end topic and the beginning topic don't seem to be? Kinda like that. Example: Horses, seahorses, seahorses in space, space travel, time travel.
    I concur: breezyspreezy, The Easter Bunny
    Death is life's way of telling you that you've been fired.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Dreams are a fascinating and barely-understood function of the brain, and the bizarre events and your delusional acceptance of them is not necessarily a reflection of your wants and needs. Dreams combine past memories, subconscious desires, subconscious fears, events from the previous day, and utterly random, fantastic creations of your mind in completely random ways. You may find yourself, for example, at your grandmother's house with your old rugby team buying groceries to appease the aliens from outer space. Some people (like Freud) look for symbolism everywhere in dreams, but in reality, the true "meaning" of a dream is entirely subjective to the dreamer. A horse, for example, could mean different things to different people. Because of this, the most qualified person to interpret one's dream is the dreamer themselves. Vivid dreams are no exception. What do you think caused your dream?"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorAkuta
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Posted By: normlA horse, for example, could mean different things to different people. Because of this, the most qualified person to interpret one's dream is the dreamer themselves.

    lol And Freud would have likely said you were interested in beastiality since you dreamed of an animal.Death is life's way of telling you that you've been fired.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Freud was pretty much wrong about everything. He was progressive for his time, but he really isn't the father of modern psychology. He's more like its fun uncle =P"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorAkuta
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Molester uncle is more like it. lol (2 points for whoever picks that one up and figures out where it came from)Death is life's way of telling you that you've been fired.
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    Dreams mean a lot and come from different things-

    Sometimes, it's just because that thing has been on your mind alot.
    Ex- I had a series of dreams in runescape format when I did almost nothing but play runescape.
    My interpretation isn't that it was telling me to stop playing, it had just been something I had seen alot and was easy for my mind to regenerate. I had no real emotional reaction to the fact I was in runescape.

    This alternate example would not fall under that- I had a dream that my school was Silent Hill and I was being trapped in by my parents and teachers who didn't know what was going on. I had a strong emotional reaction to this and was very scared. This dream was almost literal- it was when I was repressing my hatred and fear of school in order to appear far more dependable to the adults in my life.

    Back when I was trying to forgive my father for being a drunk I had a similiar dream- that a dank motel I was stuck in was Silent Hill. I always associated those motels with my dad 'cuz they were usually where he stayed. I escaped to a forest and park I also associated with him, and I was killed by a large red person, which was how I had always perceived him when he was drunk. Silent Hill there was simply representing something bad, but it did have meaning in those dreams.

    As someone else was saying, my interpretations here are the most accurate generally. (Unless I am in serious denial of something) But not all dreams have those types of meaning. If you look at a dream hard enough, you should be able to tear it apart, either through it just being on your mind and just being a random compilations of things that happened or through other things you can see.

    And I was wondering if this was the case with you guys- when you are going through a lot of turmoil in your life are you more likely to remember your dreams? Because that's what my brother an I've noticed.Canto Ergo Sum
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010
     
    Well, the more emotional a dream is, I would imagine the more memorable it will be, since it would form a deep impression on you. And you're more likely to have emotional dreams if you have a lot of emotional turmoil in your waking life.
    Another thing that I've found to cause incredibly vivid, bizarre, and potentially enjoyable dreams is sleeping pills. Lately I've been taking around 200mg of diphenhydramine (benadryl) to help me fall asleep right away, and every night I've been having pretty memorable dreams about whatever I was doing right before I went to bed. I watched a porno before bed one night, and had one of the best sex dreams that I can remember. I watched a horror movie the following night, and had an appropriately horrendous dream after that. In this way, you can sort of control what you're going to dream about, but with very little chance of becoming lucid."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
    • CommentAuthormeisner
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010 edited
     
    This whole "dream interpretation" thing is astoundingly unscientific. Even if a dream provides what turns out to be a helpful message that in no way proves that it was the intent of the dream to be meaningful.

    In all likelyhood dreams serve not a psychological purpose but a physiological one.
    I concur: EVLWNS
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    I think the only reason dreams would mean anything would be because they are subconsciously influenced by your own experiences while you're awake. You're probably just thinking about things when you sleep, so you dream about them. There's probably no meaning or anything further than that behind it.
    I concur: F i L, spx4var
    "I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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    I think dreams are heavily influenced by how you think, how you live, and all sorts of things. I still think that they can mean things sometimes. I don't believe they can tell the future, but I think they do have at least a few scraps of meaning. For instance, during my obsessively Christian years, I dreamed a lot about being trapped and suffocating. I don't think the meaning is necessarily what they are there for, but I do think that SOME meaning is at least a by-product. Dreams are stained by how you feel throughout the day, what you see, and generally experience. Wouldn't they at least occasionally tell you something?Canto Ergo Sum
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    They might, based on your experiences during the day."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010 edited
     
    It would be incidental. It's a mistake to believe dreams have an actual purpose. Interpretations are all about finding the cause of your dream, not its purpose."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorF i L
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
     
    I remember in the movie "What the bleep do we know" they said many neurologist think dreams are our minds sifting throughout the days memories; saving the important details and discarding the unimportant ones. Don't know how much or what kind of evidence they have to think that, but it makes sense to me.

    I doubt dreams are JUST our brain sifting through memories though. Like Laura said, it's most likely that we are just thinking in our sleep (with some brain functions shut down).


    I think memories have a huge tendency to "adapt" themselves around a persons perspective. You ever remember someones hat as blue and later find out it was Red or Green? I was really bad car accident when i was 17; afterwards in the hospital all the moms of the kids in the car started proclaiming how they "had a bad feeling" about us going to the lake. I was an Atheist by then so i was facepalming the whole time.
    + I've met enough people that amplify their own story-- one i was there to witness --every time they tell it; pretty soon it's not even the same story.
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    Posted By: InfernoWell according to Freud, almost every dream is in some mysterious way connected to your repressed sexuality. If you dream about the ocean, you want to "open your gates of lust", rivers, rain, etc. all the same. If you dream about a bird, you want to fly away from all this repression of sexuality. If you dream of Bananas... Yep, you got it.
    So that much for the wants and needs of the dreamer: Depending on who is analyzing your dream, you want different things. (Sex is always one of those things apparently!)

    Now to the second part: Dreams always need to be interpreted. Have you ever had a dream where you say to yourself: I want to live in Kansas. (Or whatever...) I surely haven't. I usually dream about random (mostly unrelated and fantastical) stuff.

    But now the the (IMO) most important stuff: Dreams are the way of the Brain to cope with stuff that happened to you. They can't tell you the future or anything, but they may be able to tell you your subconscious wants.



    what about those dreams that people who SWEAR up and down it told the future detail for detail?? I have fucking friends telling me this: "I had a dream that happened in a certain way just for a few moments. A few days later, those very same situations occured."

    And of course, he related that bullshit to a higher power or some mystical pre-determined destiny bullshit.

    Anyway, I wanna know about people who swear up and down that they dream about future things--I have more than one person who claimed such things (of course, you know me--I think it's all exagerrated and that the brain has amazing capabilities to predict things at times.)There is no morality when one's motives are driven by reward and punishment.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
     
    I've never had that happen to me, but I've had friends claim to have "deja vu" moments as well. It could be neurons misfiring and making them think they dreamed this moment last night when they really didn't, it could be their subconscious noticing things they're not aware of to give them "prophetic visions," or it could be nothing but the power of suggestion. We don't really know yet."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    Posted By: normlI've never had that happen to me, but I've had friends claim to have "deja vu" moments as well. It could be neurons misfiring and making themthinkthey dreamed this moment last night when they really didn't, it could be their subconscious noticing things they're not aware of to give them "prophetic visions," or it could be nothing but the power of suggestion. We don't really know yet."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell


    I tend to agree with this strongly. I thought it happened to me one time, but I never strongly proclaim the validity of my "prohetic" dream. I also I had an error remembering dreams on wrong days/dates....but of course, they'll never admit that.There is no morality when one's motives are driven by reward and punishment.
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      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
     
    I had a dream last night where I was a relative of a prince or princess who was getting married. I had to help set up the big grand wedding. At one point I was going over the rows of seats with...something. I guess it was some kind of ritual. Then, when the marriage was in progress, I had to drive this carriage thing around with pretty black horses that had sparkles all over them. At the right moment, I had them rear into the air. I guess I went overboard with them and the queen was kinda pissed at me.

    It was weird 'cause one side of the room couldn't even see the wedding happening. It was a crappy place for a wedding. Very poor visibility.

    So, the next day, us closer relatives came down to breakfast and we had "assignments". They were "peasant" jobs that were nasty and gross. I guess she was really mad. Or maybe she did that every now and then...

    I'm really not sure how to interpret that. But some of my dreams are obviously fears or hopes and dreams.It's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
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    I see dreams as my mind trying things out before I go and actually do them, that and try to make connections as see if they add up.




    And now I'm seriously wondering, any believers of the astral plane here? I was really into that stuff for a while.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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    Dr. Strange (from Marvel Comics) is all into the astral plane. He sent Spider-Man there in Amazing Spider-Man volume three (with Michael J. Strazinsky, writer, in case you're curious) which sent the Spider Wasp on his tail, then she tried to eat him, then he killed her.

    Don't mind my geekery."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
     
    I hear about astral projection all the time, but I've never bothered to really learn what it is. As far as I can tell, it's... meditation that results in a lucid trance-like state? I really don't know."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    Yeah it's kind of like a trance thing. I MIGHT have gotten there once. Or I may have been half asleep. Basically the theory is that when you are asleep, the events in some dreams are REAL and you are interacting with real people.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
     
    So there's supposed to be telepathic interaction between people who reach the "astral plane" through meditation? Seems like a waste of time now that we have the internet =P"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    Oh no it's not :-P! Because supossedly if you get REALLY good you can talk to dead people.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
     
    Sounds fantastic =P"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    Posted By: godlesscan vivid dreams that show a clear goal be taken literaly or should even thease be interperated?


    Some of my dreams told me very vividly to get laid. I don't know what I should interpret about them.

    Actually, I find dream-interpretations a highly doubtful business, as someone must claim to know what a certain dream-thing actually means.

    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersBasically the theory is that when you are asleep, the events in some dreams are REAL and you are interacting with real people.


    Or maybe, just maybe, all those events are just simulated by your brain.The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.
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    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersBasically the theory is that when you are asleep, the events in some dreams are REAL and you are interacting with real people.

    Is this really a theory, or is it a guess based on people's hope and desires.
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    Ambiguity of words, in every day use the word "theory" can mean "speculation" or "idea". In that sense, Poem's statement is indeed a theory. In a scientific one, it's not.The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
     
    It seems like it would be empirically testable. Have two people do it in separate rooms, have them interact with each other on the "astral plane" and see if their independent experiences match up."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    ^actually there have been people Who have dome this and it has worked. They agreed to exchange a word in the astral plane that night. In the astral plane they agreed upon a word, and in the morning told the word to eachother. They had the same on. Who were these people? Um... A British ex drug addict on youtube and his friend... Yeah I just lost any credibility:(She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
     
    They should have been paired randomly as complete strangers with no contact until they day of the experiment so they can identify each other on the astral plane, and then they should have to report the word to separate researchers before they're allowed to contact each other in the real world after the alleged projection. Research methods ftw."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    There are countless tests that could be conducted to determine if there is indeed a spiritual world, or powers that violate known laws of physics.
    The person to actually prove he is capable of this would be world famous for the end of time. Yet there are none...
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      CommentAuthorAddler
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
     
    when I dream I go to the Fade and fight demons.
    I concur: Sourdough
    Jesus has risen, It's no surprise. Even he would martyr his momma to ride to hell between those thighs.
    • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
     
    I get a lot of deja vu from dreams. I can be going about my business, doing my regular thing, and then all of a sudden I'll see an event exactly like what I saw in a dream, sometimes right down to what people, and even what I say and do. It can be days, weeks, months or even years between the dream and the event. I can't tell if it's some sort of mental illusion of mine, a mere trick of memory or the real deal, but it seems like I can see snippets of my future in my dreams. I'm sceptical of course, but it happens a lot and it happens pretty precisely.

    As for the astral projection and out-of-body malarky, someone actually is conducting legitimate experiments about that. I wish I could remember who and where I read about it, but he's doing stuff like putting pictures in places where only someone out-of-body could see it and then asking them if they saw it. He hasn't published any results yet, sadly."When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
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      CommentAuthorDiabeetus
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    In my opinion, when you sleep, your mind attempts to make sense of what you've done that day. Compare it to someone filing something away. Pages always fall out and get misplaced. Those are dreams to me.
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    Anyone feel like interpreting my dreams? I dream about really random shit. :)There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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    I'm willing to give it a try. Hit me.Canto Ergo Sum
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    Remember this one?


    Oh my FSM! I dreamed about you guys last night!

    I was arguing with Fackel about something (I forget what) through text, and Arethusa randomly texted me about how I had to save the universe, so I went to TAG (who I envisioned as a tall, skinny kid with curly red hair eating a Hot Pocket) for assistance. He jumped on the computer and started typing -

    And that's all I remember. But it was fucking awesome. :)

    I just have no idea what the texts said. They came on my phone and I saw "FackelderAufklarung" and "Arethusa", but I can't remember what your messages said. I think Arethusa's said something like "The universe will be swallowed by dark forces if you don't locate the Sword of Doom" or something. There was a sword, and I had to save the universe, I know that. :)

    And TAG was sort of like the computer nerd sidekick who ate Hot Pockets. The Hot Pockets were very vivid. I'm not sure why.

    That's where my memory cuts off, unfortunately. But still - I dreamed about you guys! :)



    And my most recent awesome dream -

    Megan Fox and I were having sex in a bathtub. It. Was. Awesome.

    Eventually, a baby walked in, so we stopped and we hugged and laughed. i don't know why.

    Then, I got out, and Megan Fox dissapeared and I was fully clothed, and the baby became 300 feet tall. It was Indian, I think. Or Mexican. (I swear, i'm not racist. My dreams are weird.) i got out my lightsaber and began to battle, jumping from knee to shoulder to head. it didn't really notice me, and I remember having a blast.

    Then I woke up.

    Anyone care to psychoanalyze me? :)There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2010
     
    My verdict: No more shrooms before bed.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2010
     
    Sounds normal to me... congrats on getting Megan Fox to show up in a dream, the best I've ever done is Raven Riley =P
    Anyway, that sounds like a typical random mixture of events to me. Is there anything about it that stands out to you? Was there any particularly troubling element that you can't figure out why it was there?"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    Posted By: MATTMy verdict: No more shrooms before bed.


    Darn. I was so looking forward to my shrooms. ;)

    Posted By: normlSounds normal to me... congrats on getting Megan Fox to show up in a dream, the best I've ever done is Raven Riley =P


    Well, damn. She's hot too.

    And I was so proud of my subconcious - I had that dream the night after I watched Jennifer's Body. XD

    Posted By: normlAnyway, that sounds like a typical random mixture of events to me. Is there anything about it that stands out to you? Was there any particularly troubling element that you can't figure out why it was there?


    The baby. It freaked me out. It was fun being a ninja/jedi, but the baby was weird.There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2010
     
    Giant evil babies. You've never played Parasite Eve have you?
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    Posted By: MATTGiant evil babies. You've never played Parasite Eve have you?


    No, i have not. Why?There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2010
     
    Actually forget Parasite Eve, Drakengard is alot more insane.
    It happens to feature uh.. words can't express the insanity of this.

    Babies are great huh?
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2010
     
    A scary baby, huh? You haven't been having unprotected sex, have you? All I can think of that symbolizing is your fear or unreadiness for having a baby.

    And yes, Raven Riley is a classic :)"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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    Posted By: normlA scary baby, huh? You haven't been having unprotected sex, have you? All I can think of that symbolizing is your fear or unreadiness for having a baby.


    Nope. Haven't had sex at all.

    It's kinda weird. lmaoThere cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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    Well, the dream about us is a pre-cognitive dream. I'll have to tell you the way to save the universe. Then fackel texts you something that's unimportant.

    The other one may be the thing you are saving the universe from.Canto Ergo Sum
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    Posted By: Arethusa BransomeI'll have to tell you the way to save the univers


    How, then? HOW?There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2010
     
    It's simple. Kill the batman.
    I concur: MATT
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell

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