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1. •  
     CommentAuthorTheAtheistGod
   • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010

    
   I got into a discussion with a stupid (IMO) girl, and she seriously said she would spend thousands of dollars to save her dog's life/health if necessary.
   
   You know what I said? I said " YOU FUCKING IDIOT!"
   
   Come on! If I had to spend more than 100-300 dollars to save my pet or treat my pet, I would simply put it to sleep. Fuck that. FUCK WASTING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. That's just nuts.
   
   I am not an animal lover at all; although I don't mind rubbing my mom's cat on her belly and such--it's just that, I wouldn't invest a huge amount of time or money in a pet (which is why I don't own one right now. lol)There is no morality when one's motives are driven by reward and punishment.
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     CommentAuthorPoemOf4Letters
   • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010

    
   I've said this many many times here, but here goes.
   
   Animals (Most, we're excluding apes here) have only basic emotions. They don't love you. They don't care about you. They don't go to dogie heaven. Get over it. i think I'm in the same price range as you, TAG. It's not to say I hate animals or I'm cold hearted or something, I just don't seethe huge fuss. It is sub human.
   
   I can see where she is coming from though. Even if the cat isn't special it may be special to her just because she has had it so long, and another cat wouldn't be the same to her.

   I concur: breezyspreezy

   She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
3. •  
     CommentAuthordemented cookies
   • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010

    
   I'm an animal person. I cried all day the day my guinea pig died and I cried myself to sleep every night after that for at least two months. I got all emo and wrote emo poems and an emo song about the emo death of my guinea pig. So I can honestly say I will spend a lot of money of my pet's well-being. I may be crazy about animals, but there is a limit to my generosity. I will only spend an amount relative to my (or my parents') income.
   However, I am an animal lover and I am willing to spend a lot of money on my pets.
   
   But I'm not crazy enough to join PETA."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
4. • CommentAuthordylandance
   • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010

    
   My girlfriends family just spent nearly a thousand dollars on their cat that has a rare and usually fatal fungus. It is a good cat, and they saved it and whatnot from the streets and paid to fix and vaccinate it. The question i would ask is: what would my life be like in a month (or maybe even a week) without this animal? I would imagine most people would be over it by then, I personally would probably be done with it within the hour.
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     CommentAuthorInferno
   • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010

    

   Posted By: demented cookiesI cried all day the day my guinea pig died and I cried myself to sleep every night after that for at least two months. I got all emo and wrote emo poems and an emo song about the emo death of my guinea pig.

   
   
   W00t guinea pigs FTW! I'm still sad about the death of mine sometimes and it died 7 years ago!The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
6. • CommentAuthordylandance
   • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010

    
   well i can understand that. losing something you have come to love can be very difficult. My mother died a few years ago (i was only 15!) and i have since then come to an understanding about death. In hindsight of a loved one's death, It is best to celebrate that person or pet's life, rather to dwell on the fact that they are dead. When i think of my mom i am just happy that she was able to experience life and to be human(how lucky are we all!)
   
   I suppose the same applies to animals, haha :)
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     CommentAuthordemented cookies
   • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010

    

   Posted By: Inferno

   Posted By: demented cookiesI cried all day the day my guinea pig died and I cried myself to sleep every night after that for at least two months. I got all emo and wrote emo poems and an emo song about the emo death of my guinea pig.

   
   
   W00t guinea pigs FTW! I'm still sad about the death of mine sometimes and it died 7 years ago!

   
   Guinea pigs are awesome."I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
8. •  
     CommentAuthorInferno
   • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010 edited

    

   Posted By: demented cookiesGuinea pigs are awesome.

   
   
   But still, if I'd be able to have a pet, I'd have a monkey!
   The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. -Carl Sagan
9. •  
     CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
   • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010

    
   i was depressed for over 2 months after my dog mory died. never again, never.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
10. • CommentAuthorArethusa Bransome
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010

     
    I've never had a pet, although my siblings had a few before I was old enough to remember them. Honestly, I'd only spend what money I could afford to to save an animal probably. Meaning that if I had thousands of dollars lying about, I'd probably spend that much but otherwise naw. And I don't think I am ever in danger of having thousands of dollars lying about.Canto Ergo Sum
11. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010

     

    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersI've said this many many times here, but here goes.
    
    Animals (Most, we're excluding apes here) have only basic emotions. They don't love you. They don't care about you. They don't go to dogie heaven. Get over it. i think I'm in the same price range as you, TAG. It's not to say I hate animals or I'm cold hearted or something, I just don't seethe huge fuss. It is sub human.
    
    I can see where she is coming from though. Even if the cat isn't special it may be special to her just because she has had it so long, and another cat wouldn't be the same to her.

    I concur:breezyspreezy

    A zebra can't change its stripes.

    
    
    This one takes a small issue, what is sub-human? I don't think humans are on top of some species significance ladder.
    
    
    Anyway, my own opinion, I would blow that much money for an animal I love. As far as I'm concerned, pets are just like furry toddlers, which makes them part of m family. But I incessantly love living beings that I personally know, I wouldn't lose any sleep over someone else's pet. Or someone else's whole family for that matter. My relations are important to me.
12. •  
      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2010

     
    if you are thinking of getting a pet and you know ahead of time that you can't or won't spend the money to heal it when needed, you shouldn't get a pet.

    I concur: TheAtheistGod

    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorTheAtheistGod
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2010

     

    Posted By: breezyspreezyif you are thinking of getting a pet and you know ahead of time that you can't or won't spend the money to heal it when needed, you shouldn't get a pet.

    I concur:TheAtheistGod

    sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted

    
    
    exactly. I'm not willing to spend a huge amount of money, so I won't get a pet. And even if I do, I wouldn't sacrifice an arm or leg to save it.There is no morality when one's motives are driven by reward and punishment.
14. •  
      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2010

     
    Does it count that I'm slightly bothered that a fish I've had for 8 years finally died the other day? lol i probably wouldn't spend more than a few bucks to give it another year.
    
    But to weigh in on the pets question... I can understand people becoming attached to their pets the way others become attached to their cars. A car is obviously incapable of any cognition or emotion, but that doesn't stop people from investing large sums of money in them. Yes, they do serve a very practical function and are even used as symbols of economic status, but some people name their cars. I only had my car for a year and a half before it was totaled, but when they towed it away for the last time I felt a sense of loss comparable to the loss of a family member, girlfriend, or a pet.
    Meh, on second thought, it's not quite the same, but I'll leave that up there. I think what's most endearing to us about pets is their affectionate personalities, even though they're incapable of affection to the extent that we are. We like the fact that another living thing isn't totally repulsed by us. It's good for the ego, and we generally like those who like us, so it logically follows that we would grow quite attached to pets.
    
    So yeah, that's my input, from an inescapably psychological perspective."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2010

     
    I am definitely an animal lover. I enjoy having pets. Most of them (the chameleon is an exception, but he's super fun to watch) like to be around me and I enjoy it. They don't have to love me. I enjoy their company none-the-less.
    
    I enjoy being around plenty of people and I know they don't love me. Should I cast them off so easily because, hey, if they died, I could be over it in a couple days?
    
    There's more I want to say, but I'm having difficulty pinning down my thoughts right now. :PIt's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
16. •  
      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2010

     
    What if cats and dogs are actually WAY smarter than us and are actually biding their time waiting for us humans to go extinct?

    I concur: breezyspreezy

    meow
17. •  
      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2010

     
    then they've made a fatal mistake by becoming dependent on us..."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
18. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010

     
    Dependant, or just keeping cover at any cost?

    I concur: breezyspreezy
19. •  
      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010

     
    what if cats and dogs are actually aliens from another planet that can read your mind? what if your dog is actually walking you instead of the other way around. lots of dogs will bark or beg or jump up on you to go out. maybe they're saying "get up off your lazy ass and do something for a change!"!!!(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
20. •  
      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010

     
    I always had this thought with my dog when we play fetch:
    
    What if he actually thought the ball was something he believed was important so whenever I threw it, he'd run after it, then bring it back. He'd then bark telling me "not throw it again" when I actually thought he wanted me to throw it more.
    
    I stay up for hours thinking of things like that.meow
21. • CommentAuthorArethusa Bransome
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010

     
    Eddie Izzard has a good ones about that Jeeves.
    
    "You dropped your stick! I'll get it for you! Now don't drop it ag-- oh look what you've done, now I have to get it again."Canto Ergo Sum
22. •  
      CommentAuthordemented cookies
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010

     
    Yeah, my cats are always looking at me as if I'm stupid. They give me that look that says, "You moronic, idiotic human...mwahahahaha...""I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010

     
    I used to have a cat, but he was nuts. He liked to hide in drawers, pee on guitars and he would sit on the window sill and just click at squirrels. He was.. eccentric.
24. •  
      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010 edited

     
    HAHAHA!!!!! You have no idea what's coming, you stupid humans!!It's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
25. •  
      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010 edited

     
    EDIT: ^ ??????? ^
    
    Gah!!! I had a big reply written out and the forum kicked me out. I guess there's a first time for everything. >.<
    
    Maybe I'll rewrite it later.It's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
26. •  
      CommentAuthorAkuta
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010

     
    If you write up a bit reply, sometimes what happens is it times out (i.e. you've taken too long and lost your place in the thread) and gives a little error; however, if you just submit it again it will go through. I don't know of any other causes of why I myself have had them fail.Death is life's way of telling you that you've been fired.
27. •  
      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010 edited

     

    Posted By: AkutaIf you write up a bit reply, sometimes what happens is it times out (i.e. you've taken too long and lost your place in the thread) and gives a little error; however, if you just submit it again it will go through. I don't know of any other causes of why I myself have had them fail.Death is life's way of telling you that you've been fired.

    
    I'm trying to come up with a proper response, but...I'm not sure what to say without explaining the joke.
    
    Maybe I should have left in the p.s., but that just seemed too obvious. =/It's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
28. •  
      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2010

     
    I like muffinsmeow
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      CommentAuthorPoemOf4Letters
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010

     

    Posted By: breezyspreezywhat if cats and dogs are actually aliens from another planet that can read your mind? what if your dog is actually walking you instead of the other way around. lots of dogs will bark or beg or jump up on you to go out. maybe they're saying "get up off your lazy ass and do something for a change!"!!!sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted

    
    
    Some one's forgetting Ottoman's razor :-P
    
    
    

    This one takes a small issue, what is sub-human? I don't think humans are on top of some species significance ladder.

    
    
    Elaborate por favor?
    
    It seems to me that if they don't have the intelligence to experience all the emotion, they don't experience all the joy and all the pain that goes with thoes, therefore, not experiencing the full effect. To me this makes them less significant.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
30. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010

     
    Ottoman's Razor?
    I thought it was Occam's Razor, or maybe I'm confused.
31. •  
      CommentAuthorPoemOf4Letters
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010

     
    ..Spell check, you fail me again! Matt's probably right.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
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      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010

     
    lmao @ ottoman's razor"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010

     

    Posted By: PoemOf4Letters

    Posted By: breezyspreezywhat if cats and dogs are actually aliens from another planet that can read your mind? what if your dog is actually walking you instead of the other way around. lots of dogs will bark or beg or jump up on you to go out. maybe they're saying "get up off your lazy ass and do something for a change!"!!!sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted

    
    
    Some one's forgetting Ottoman's razor :-P
    
    i selectively remember that, i guess, because sometimes life's fun w/out it.

    (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
34. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010 edited

     

    Posted By: PoemOf4Letters

    This one takes a small issue, what is sub-human? I don't think humans are on top of some species significance ladder.

    
    
    Elaborate por favor?
    
    It seems to me that if they don't have the intelligence to experience all the emotion, they don't experience all the joy and all the pain that goes with thoes, therefore, not experiencing the full effect. To me this makes them less significant.A zebra can't change its stripes.

    
    
    You can't commnicate through clicks and photophoric patterns on your skin, so you're inferior to dolphins and cuttlefish. You aren't experiencing the thermal spectrum of light, so you're inferior to snakes. Your mind doesn't react as fast as that of a bird or rodent, so you're inferior to them. My point is you're applying meaningless significance to something that that you think is good. If other animals compared themselves to eachother, dogs would be all, those dumb humans, cold hairless bodies that can't run on all fours, and birds might think, those poor monkeys can't even fly without huge, loud peices of metal. It's not that I think its bad to like humans better than other animals, only arrogaant to think we're better than them because we feel emotions and have higher cognitive powers. It personally reminds me of the religious idea that people are better because they have souls and animals don't.

    I concur: FackelDerAufklärung, Sourdough
35. •  
      CommentAuthorAddler
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010

     
    I've never really liked mammals as pets. Mammals are for eating. Dogs and cats are okay I guess, but I've always had more of a connection with reptiles and fish. I've owned a snake, a bearded dragon, and several fish in my lifetime. When Lucifer (my snake) got scale rot, I think the trip to the vet ended up costing about $60. medicine included. good deal.Jesus has risen, It's no surprise. Even he would martyr his momma to ride to hell between those thighs.
36. •  
      CommentAuthorPoemOf4Letters
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010

     
    @ Matt: And yet why do you guys always feel superior to thoes who choose to be ignorant of things? The fact that you could list all thoes things we can not do shows me that to an extent we do experience them. We know that they are there and some what like how they work. We know what to long for, we know what we are enjoying. Without the cognitive ability to make connections and experience emotions, animals do not experience things.
    
    The animals simply does. The human experiences.
    
    Humans are more significant than animals.
    
    *sigh*
    
    Let the flames begin.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
37. •  
      CommentAuthorPoemOf4Letters
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010

     
    By the way, I don't think this makes me arrogant. I'm sure somewhere out there there are being far more advanced than us who experience many more dimensions of experience-ness (Like as in emotion being one dimensional, and logic being another). They are more significant than us. And there are others more significant than them.
    
    
    Though I shouldn't call it significance. The more dimensions you perceive the universe through, the harder it is to see reality and not just opinion. This even things out. All living this are equal in significance.
    
    So I just looped around to your side, but see I was arguing against it because obviously we have them for extremely different reasons that contradic eachother. Now tell me honestly do I sound insane? Did anything I just said make any sense? It makes perfect sense to me, but people give me weird looks when I talk bout this.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith
38. •  
      CommentAuthornorml
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010

     
    No, no, I get what you're saying, Poem. I take pride in human achievement and higher cognitive faculty too, but I wouldn't base "significance" on that. Significance is entirely subjective to the beholder, and when there is no objective beholder to appeal to, the word "significance" becomes meaningless."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." ~ Bertrand Russell
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      CommentAuthorFackelDerAufklärung
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010

     

    
    The animals simplydoes. The humanexperiences.
    

    
    How do you know?
    

    
    Humans are more significant than animals.
    

    
    Could you please elaborate what your "significant" means?

    I concur: Jeeves

    The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.
40. • CommentAuthorEVLWNS
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010

     

    Posted By: PoemOf4Letters@ Matt: And yet why do you guys always feel superior to thoes who choose to be ignorant of things? The fact that you could list all thoes things we can not do shows me that to an extent we do experience them. We know that they are there and some what like how they work. We know what to long for, we know what we are enjoying. Without the cognitive ability to make connections and experience emotions, animals do not experience things.
    
    The animals simplydoes. The humanexperiences.
    
    Humans are more significant than animals.
    
    *sigh*
    
    Let the flames begin.A zebra can't change its stripes.

    
    
    I think you underestimate animal intelligence, and overestimate human intelligence. I think your poeticism is running away with you again, PoemOf4Letters.
    
    Human intelligence - genuine intellect and mental ability - is different from that of other organisms largely by degree, not by categorical difference. The human mind is built upon a foundation of the animal mind. The only part of human intelligence that does not exist in the minds of other sophisticated animal intelligences is the ability to abstractly conceptualise - to imagine from scratch. And even that might exist in the most sophisticated minds, like that of dolphins and bonobos.
    
    Humans do as much as animals do, and likewise with 'experience': we react to external stimuli, and we have no choice but to do so. Animals do experience emotion, just as we do. After all, as I said, the human mind is built upon the animal mind. Our ability to experience emotion comes from our ancestors: our animal ancestors. It was long ago that our ancestors evolved the ability to experience emotion, and we have inherited and built upon their ability. The only reason animals do not write great works of literature and build astounding machines is because they do not, as I said, have the ability to abstractly conceptualise, and they do not have memories and information processing capabilities as great as ours.
    
    We are not a revolution in intelligence, Poem; we are but one more step along the road, if a big step.
    
    Oh, and your talk of mental dimensions or whatever was nonsense."When I am, Death is not; and when Death is, I am not. Then why fear what I cannot be?"
41. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010 edited

     

    Posted By: PoemOf4Letters@ Matt: And yet why do you guys always feel superior to thoes who choose to be ignorant of things? The fact that you could list all thoes things we can not do shows me that to an extent we do experience them. We know that they are there and some what like how they work. We know what to long for, we know what we are enjoying. Without the cognitive ability to make connections and experience emotions, animals do not experience things.
    
    The animals simplydoes. The humanexperiences.
    
    Humans are more significant than animals.
    
    *sigh*
    
    Let the flames begin.A zebra can't change its stripes.

    
    flllaaaaaaaAAAAAMMEEESSS! (I don't think of myself as superior to theists, I just happen to be more open minded. I stopped thinking anything was truly superior to anything years ago when I realised that good is only subjective, and therefore better does not exist outside of one's opinions. Everything is just different. It could just as easly be said that humans only do to. We're just metabolically active meat that reacts to stimuli. Just because our reactions include reflection doesn't mean what we do is an dfferent.)
    

    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersBy the way, I don't think this makes me arrogant. I'm sure somewhere out there there are being far more advanced than us who experience many more dimensions of experience-ness (Like as in emotion being one dimensional, and logic being another). They are more significant than us. And there are others more significant than them.
    
    
    Though I shouldn't call it significance. The more dimensions you perceive the universe through, the harder it is to see reality and not just opinion. This even things out. All living this are equal in significance.
    
    So I just looped around to your side, but see I was arguing against it because obviously we have them for extremely different reasons that contradic eachother. Now tell me honestly do I sound insane? Did anything I just said make any sense? It makes perfect sense to me, but people give me weird looks when I talk bout this.A zebra can't change its stripes.

    
    Somehow you just extinguished flames with gasoline. This is an odd way of looking at it. I do not agree with the grounds you base this opinion on.
    
    Ah, its been a while since I've argued anything, thank you, Poem.
42. •  
      CommentAuthorspx4var
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010

     

    Posted By: MATT

    Posted By: PoemOf4LettersI've said this many many times here, but here goes.
    
    Animals (Most, we're excluding apes here) have only basic emotions. They don't love you. They don't care about you. They don't go to dogie heaven. Get over it. i think I'm in the same price range as you, TAG. It's not to say I hate animals or I'm cold hearted or something, I just don't seethe huge fuss. It is sub human.
    
    I can see where she is coming from though. Even if the cat isn't special it may be special to her just because she has had it so long, and another cat wouldn't be the same to her.

    I concur:breezyspreezy

    A zebra can't change its stripes.

    
    
    This one takes a small issue, what is sub-human? I don't think humans are on top of some species significance ladder.
    
    
    Anyway, my own opinion, I would blow that much money for an animal I love. As far as I'm concerned, pets are just like furry toddlers, which makes them part of m family. But I incessantly love living beings that I personally know, I wouldn't lose any sleep over someone else's pet. Or someone else's whole family for that matter. My relations are important to me.My blood be gasoline. I'm screwing Tali Zora!

    
    
    I, for one, would seriously consider running into a burning building for my dogs. They mean just as much to me as my other human family members. They are family, as far as I'm concerned. Obviously I'm biased towards dogs but they really do have emotions. Not only that, but they are apparently the only species on earth that are able to read *our* emotions (see documentary link if you're interested).
    
    I recently watched this documentary on local TV. For anyone interested in the UK, here's the link: BBC iPlayer: Horizon - The Secret Life of Dogs - genuinely fascinating. Dogs really are far more amazing than we give them credit for.
    
    I seem to find that this debate is popularly divided between those who've had/have a pet, and those that have never. S'just me though. :)
43. •  
      CommentAuthorbreezyspreezy
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010

     
    do you have the link for windows? i want to see it!!! but to answer your last sentence, there are tons of people who see their dogs as slaves or something that needs to be whipped into shape and shouldn't have a mind of it's own. imho, dogs that are allowed to be themselves more are alot happier and more fun to be around.(\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010

     

    Posted By: breezyspreezydo you have the link for windows? i want to see it!!! but to answer your last sentence, there are tons of people who see their dogs as slaves or something that needs to be whipped into shape and shouldn't have a mind of it's own. imho, dogs that are allowed to be themselves more are alot happier and more fun to be around.sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted

    
    
    People who get a pet dog and then make it live a boot camp life are just cruel.

    I concur: breezyspreezy
45. •  
      CommentAuthordemented cookies
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010

     

    Posted By: MATT

    Posted By: breezyspreezydo you have the link for windows? i want to see it!!! but to answer your last sentence, there are tons of people who see their dogs as slaves or something that needs to be whipped into shape and shouldn't have a mind of it's own. imho, dogs that are allowed to be themselves more are alot happier and more fun to be around.sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted

    
    
    People who get a pet dog and then make it live a boot camp life are just cruel.My blood be gasoline. I'm screwing Tali Zora!

    
    That's true. I saw a man in a parking lot a year or so ago who was hitting his dog because it disobeyed him. I mean, disciplining your dog is fine, but not hitting it repeatedly if it doesn't come when you call it. People like that shouldn't be allowed to own pets.

    I concur: breezyspreezy

    "I don't intend to achieve immortality through my work. I intend to achieve it through not dying." -Woody Allen
46. •  
      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010

     

    Posted By: demented cookies

    Posted By: MATT

    Posted By: breezyspreezydo you have the link for windows? i want to see it!!! but to answer your last sentence, there are tons of people who see their dogs as slaves or something that needs to be whipped into shape and shouldn't have a mind of it's own. imho, dogs that are allowed to be themselves more are alot happier and more fun to be around.sitting in a hand-basket, expecting to get roasted

    
    
    People who get a pet dog and then make it live a boot camp life are just cruel.My blood be gasoline. I'm screwing Tali Zora!

    
    That's true. I saw a man in a parking lot a year or so ago who was hitting his dog because it disobeyed him. I mean, disciplining your dog is fine, but not hitting it repeatedly if it doesn't come when you call it. People like that shouldn't be allowed to own pets."Sheep are lovely creatures, but they don't have much when it comes to independent thinking."

    
    
    Not to mention how stupid that is, "Goddamn it, why isn't he coming over? When that mutt gets over here.. BAM RIGHT IN THE KISSER."
    
    And the dog is like, "*Rawrf? Rawrf bark! Woof. [WTF, told me to get over here! I'm never going near you again.]"

    I concur: Jeeves
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      CommentAuthorJeeves
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010

     
    Took the words right out of my mouth, Matt.meow
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      CommentAuthorSourdough
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010 edited

     

    Posted By: MATT
    Not to mention how stupid that is, "Goddamn it, why isn't he coming over? When that mutt gets over here.. BAM RIGHT IN THE KISSER."
    
    And the dog is like, "*Rawrf? Rawrf bark! Woof. [WTF, told me to get over here! I'm never going near you again.]"

    
    
    That's why I say, "Well, gee, I was going to take you for a ride in the truck...but if you don't want to go..." Then my dog says, "OMG I WANNA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" Then I say, "MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You fell for it!!!"
    
    Sometimes I drive her around the neighborhood first, so she doesn't realize it was just a trap.
    
    EDIT: Removed a space.It's not about fun. It's about the truth. -House
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      CommentAuthorMATT
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010

     
    LOL
    I'm not sure how to react to that.
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      CommentAuthorPoemOf4Letters
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2010

     

    No, no, I get what you're saying, Poem. I take pride in human achievement and higher cognitive faculty too, but I wouldn't base "significance" on that. Significance is entirely subjective to the beholder, and when there is no objective beholder to appeal to, the word "significance" becomes meaningless.

    
    
    Okay, I believe in a god... So What i mean by significance it th size of the part it plays in god.
    
    

    I think you underestimate animal intelligence, and overestimate human intelligence. I think your poeticism is running away with you again, PoemOf4Letters.

    
    Dosen't sound too unlikely...
    

    Human intelligence - genuine intellect and mental ability - is different from that of other organisms largely by degree, not by categorical difference. The human mind is built upon a foundation of the animal mind. The only part of human intelligence that does not exist in the minds of other sophisticated animal intelligences is the ability to abstractly conceptualise - to imagine from scratch. And even that might exist in the most sophisticated minds, like that of dolphins and bonobos..

    
    Seems like a pretty big step to me.
    
    

    Humans do as much as animals do, and likewise with 'experience': we react to external stimuli, and we have no choice but to do so. Animals do experience emotion, just as we do. After all, as I said, the human mind is built upon the animal mind. Our ability to experience emotion comes from our ancestors: our animal ancestors. It was long ago that our ancestors evolved the ability to experience emotion, and we have inherited and built upon their ability. The only reason animals do not write great works of literature and build astounding machines is because they do not, as I said, have the ability to abstractly conceptualise, and they do not have memories and information processing capabilities as great as ours..

    
    Where are you getting this information?
    
    See, to me this seems like a huge level to be able to think abstractly. It opens up a whole new world that doesn't exist (or exists only in our minds.
    
    

    We are not a revolution in intelligence, Poem; we are but one more step along the road, if a big step...

    
    I argee only one step along the road, but you can't deny that there is a step there.
    
    

    Oh, and your talk of mental dimensions or whatever was nonsense.

    
    
    Well gee, i was hoping you would give me a reason as to why it's nonsense. Maybe I should explain it a little better.
    
    Bird: I see a big green circle with orange spots.
    Dog: I see a big green circle yellow spots. It reminds me of that flower and makes me uncomfortable.
    Chimp: I see a big turquoise circle with yellow spots.I reminds me of a rotting flower and makes me feel worried.
    Human: I see a medium-ish turquoise oval with yellow spots. It reminds me of that lollipop I ate last week, and makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Wouldn't it be cool if there was a lollipop that big? I bet it would taste bad though.
    
    The bird sees the reality of the circle undistorted by prejudice. then the higher the cognitive ability, the more distorted the judgements get.She shows no emotion at all, stares into space like a dead China doll. - Elliott Smith